What i can or cant bring across the border

[Splatter]

I don't have a "horror story" about export controls; but the last time I was in the USA, I was flagged over just before the Osoyoos border crossing, about 1/2 way between Oroville and the border.

It was dark, all I saw for sure was that the car had a lightbar on it, and the guy that came over to talk with me had a grey uniform with shoulder flashes that were definitely not Washington Highway patrol.

The only thing he asked me was "Did you buy any ammunition or firearms while you were in the US?

I said "Ummm,.. no. Is there like a minimum I have to purchase before I can leave?" "Because I've been in the US less than 24 hours so I don't think it should apply to me, I was just dropping a friend off at the airport, because it was cheaper to fly out of here than Canada."

The guy just rolled his eyes, and told me to drive safe.

But I always wondered if the "agent" was just asking a standard question to anyone driving a Canadian car, or if it was "personalized" because I have a PAL.

[Z-man]

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Here is thing though, how frequent does the US boarder services perform export checks on those leaving US and entering Canada? I have purchased rifle scope 20moa bases from US retailers, when I cross the Canadian border the guards, looked at m PAL cause I handed it to them with my passport, then they took the liberty to give me a long lecture about US export laws of which they knew nothing about.



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I cross through the US/CDA border every single week, mostly for work but about 3-4 times a year for pleasure. Twice in my life I have been stopped by US Customs before the border in my car coming back through Niagara Falls. Firearms never came up but they asked why I was in the US and how long I was there. Flying, I get stopped about once a year so one out of every forty - fifty flights. Flying I get stopped in the jetway with about 2-4 customs agents asking me if I have over $10K US on me as I leave the US. Never asked about firearm parts, they scan my passport in some portable machine, send me on my way and ask the next person the same thing.

[gyw]

anything that can be attached or components that go into a firearm , that means slings . scopes etc and powder , primers , brass , bullets and ammo. u can bring them across the canadian border but just don't get caught with it in the states or u will be going to jail. order it from brownell they ship to canada it safer that way

[woofer2609]

anything that can be attached or components that go into a firearm , that means slings . scopes etc and powder , primers , brass , bullets and ammo. u can bring them across the canadian border but just don't get caught with it in the states or u will be going to jail. order it from brownell they ship to canada it safer that way

If you look at section 123.17 it appears that you are allowed to export goods up to $100 that attach to a firearm. This includes slings and bipods. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the most current version of this document.
Would I check with US Border offices before bringing in a $90 bipod, yes, but it does seem allowable.
Ammo and brass is covered under another section.

[Amelio]

I was down at dickies in walden galleria and there was a 22 break open pellet gun.1200 fps for 60 $. The thought did cross my mind not worth the risk though to save a few hundred.

[Morpheus256]

So, simple question because I've only got my license this year, what about something as simple as a stripper clip? probably not allowed but figured I should ask...

[taosicheng]

Splatter has done his research. It basically boils down to this; The US doesn't want canadians having fancy guns, but they are totally cool with selling Weapons to Saudi Arabia( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34838937) . Also, i just wanna add that scope mounting bases and rings do not require a US export permit; however, any "telescopic optical sighting device" or an optical sighting device with a "reticle" is not permitted for export without a permit.
Here is thing though, how frequent does the US boarder services perform export checks on those leaving US and entering Canada? I have purchased rifle scope 20moa bases from US retailers, when I cross the Canadian border the guards, looked at m PAL cause I handed it to them with my passport, then they took the liberty to give me a long lecture about US export laws of which they knew nothing about.

so, I spend 2 hours combing legal Jargon trying to truly figure out what I could export and what i could not, i discovered that scope mounts were allowed, and i compiled a document to "share" with the Canadian boarder officers in the event of another lecture the next time I crossed the boarder with scope mounts. A few weeks later I was returning to Canada with another 20MOA rail, some offset iron sights and a muzzle threat protector, and of course, the document I had put together explaining that I was within my rights. The Canadian border officer looked at my passport, peaked at the assortment of rifle accessories on my passenger seat, told me a story about a cat running into a window and sent me on my way.

Anyone have any horror stories about being subject to a US export check on their way home? Are export checks a thing?



here is the little narrative I compiled.

""""For the boarder officers:

1. Mounts for optical firearm sighting devices are EAR99.
EAR99 is defined as:
“If your item falls under U.S. Department of Commerce jurisdiction and is not listed on the CCL, it is designated as EAR99. EAR99 items generally consist of low-technology consumer goods and do not require a license in most situations. However, if your proposed export of an EAR99 item is to an embargoed country, to an end-user of concern, or in support of a prohibited end-use, you may be required to obtain a license.” (U.S. Department of Commerce, 2015).
2. Optical sighting devices: The U.S. Department of Commerce (2015) page explains that the ECCN for riflescopes and hunting scopes is found under section 0A987 in the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (2015). Section 0A987 states that optical sights for firearms that are telescopic, holographic, reflex/red-dot sights, reticle sights, other sighting devices that contain optical elements, laser pointing sights, and lenses for any of the aforementioned sighting systems are subject to controlled export in keeping with the firearms convention (The Commerce Control List, 2015). In order to export these items one must submit an application to the Bureau of Industry and Security via their Simplified Netwok Application Processing (SNAP-R) system (Country Chart, 2015). The websight enabling application for export of controlled items is as follows: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/li...-r/cin-request
It is not clear whether the SNAP-R system is for the explicit use of businesses or “companies” or whether individuals can register as a company and then submit electronic export requests as required. I am pending response from Bureau of Industry and Security staff.



References

U.S. Department of Commerce (2015). Bureau of Industry and Security: Export of firearms and related items FAQs. Retrieved December 15th, 2015 from https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/po...dance/firearms
Country Chart (2015). Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: Title 15, subtitle B, chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 738: Commerce Conrol List overview and the country chart. Retrieved December 15th, 2015 from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieve...5.2.738&r=PART

The Commerce Control List (2015). Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: Title 15, subtitle B, chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 774 The Commerce Control List. Heading 0A987. Retrived December 15th, 2015 from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...p15.2.774_12.1
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So,you successful? i also need a base for scope,May i go to US and take it in Canada?

[Fusilier]

So,you successful? i also need a base for scope,May i go to US and take it in Canada?

Strangely enough, scope mounts are not ITAR regulated so you can indeed take one back with you. Don't take the scope but mounts (which I believe includes bases and rings) should be good to go.

[Fusilier]

So, simple question because I've only got my license this year, what about something as simple as a stripper clip? probably not allowed but figured I should ask...

A stripper clip is not a firearm part and should be exportable without paperwork. An actual magazine though, would be regulated for export and would need a licensed/permitted exporter to get it legally out of the US.

[Fusilier]

anything that can be attached or components that go into a firearm , that means slings . scopes etc and powder , primers , brass , bullets and ammo. u can bring them across the canadian border but just don't get caught with it in the states or u will be going to jail. order it from brownell they ship to canada it safer that way

Not correct. Slings and sling mounts and scope mounts are not controlled for export out of the US. Ammunition and ammunition components (brass, primers, powder) are explicitly controlled for export so you cannot legally export them out of the US. While you can legally bring them into Canada, you cannot legally bring them out of the US. You have to satisfy the rules, laws and regulations of both countries if you're bringing something out of the US and into Canada.