16 round Shotgun SRM 1216

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CristianM said:
1. If capping at 5 is for centrefire semi-auto rifles...?
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I specifically said semi-auto centrefire...I deliberately left out the word rifles. But it's a moot point since someone mentioned they already made a ruling on it.

It's too bad really, things like this, that Akdal (deemed AR variant?) I saw in another forum, and other interesting semi's are getting shafted. In turn, we get denied the option of cool toys
 
I wonder if you could get it with just an independent tube magazine instead of the entire 4 tube rotating magazine. Than maybe couple 4 "separate" tube magazines together, since that's no different than coupling ar mags together :).
 
Hey guys, thanks for starting the discussion about our 1216.

@ljh...Our shotgun isn't like the KSG. The 1216 is semi-auto, 16+1 rounds, and has a lot of features the KSG doesn't offer. Not only that, but it's almost impossible to get a hold of the KSG. :)

@cadgo...which bad reviews are you referring to?

@tactical_pete...thanks for your thoughts, but how does it look like a nightmare? I'd be happy to clear up any misunderstandings for you.

@gunslingr...It's only a little over 7lbs unloaded. Loaded, it's not much more. I think you'd be surprised how light it is if you held on in your hand.

Again thanks for the feedback and looking forward to talking more with you guys!

Jason
 
CristianM said:
1. If capping at 5 is for centrefire semi-auto rifles only and if pump shotguns have no limit, how is it for semi-auto shotguns?

2. Now, getting to the discrepancy: is the KSG 7+7+1 or 6+6+1?

3. So, for sure the KSG doesn't need to be capped? Not even when hunting with it?
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1. A shotgun IS center fire. Every center fire semi auto firearm is restricted to 5 rounds magazines. Every center fire manual action firearm is not. This isn't complicated.

2. No idea.

3. Hunting regs dictate that, not firearms laws.
 
SRM_Arms said:
Hey guys, thanks for starting the discussion about our 1216.

@ljh...Our shotgun isn't like the KSG. The 1216 is semi-auto, 16+1 rounds, and has a lot of features the KSG doesn't offer. Not only that, but it's almost impossible to get a hold of the KSG. :)

@cadgo...which bad reviews are you referring to?

@tactical_pete...thanks for your thoughts, but how does it look like a nightmare? I'd be happy to clear up any misunderstandings for you.

@gunslingr...It's only a little over 7lbs unloaded. Loaded, it's not much more. I think you'd be surprised how light it is if you held on in your hand.

Again thanks for the feedback and looking forward to talking more with you guys!

Jason
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http://www.shellgunning.com/is-the-srm-1216-full-of-problems/

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/356032_.html

It even jams multiple times in the FPS Russia video.
 
The primary issue he had with his gun (the video from shellgunning) stems from the roller-delayed action system design and the vacuum that is created in the chamber, when the shotgun is fired. What happened with his gun was a function of 2 factors.

1) He was using ammunition that had been stored for a while, resulting in some expansion in the diameter of the shells;

2) the force of the bolt being blown-back creates a vacuum within the chamber that either bulges the heads of the shells, or rips them apart.

Let me explain the second part further...

When the shell is seated in the chamber, depending on the diameter of the shell, it will either fit tightly or loosely. If the shell fits loosely in the chamber (which is more common) the gun will cycle more efficiently. If the shell fits tightly in the chamber, there is a greater likelihood that a vacuum-like effect will occur. Think of it like pulling a cork out of a wine bottle…the greater diameter of the shell, the greater the vacuum pressure in the chamber. When the vacuum pressure is high, the shell’s head can bulge or detach. Obviously, this has an impact on the guns ability to cycle.

After reports of this problem, we developed a solution that would accommodate shotgun shells of slightly different diameter.

Essentially, we etch grooves inside of the chamber of the shotgun so that the gasses can escape, thereby eliminating the vacuum-effect that occurred in some of the shotguns manufactured by SRM, early in its production.

The fact that we moved so quickly to understand a problem with the shotgun, develop a solution, and implement change to their manufacturing process should be viewed positively.

Same issue for the thread on AR15.com. That was back in 2011. As far as the ammo that FPSRussia was using, we are unsure of. The 1216 can be picky and we suggest heavier loads. If we setup that video with FPS, we would have gave suggestions, however, our company didn't contact him. He even made a mistake about saying you can put bean bags in one tube and slugs in the other. We have a special "less-than-lethal" bolt for the bean bags. You can't mix them with live loads.

We have shipped hundreds of 1216's and I can tell you now, the positive reviews FAR out weigh the negative. People are less likely to write a review if they have no issues. :)

Thanks again.
 
SRM_Arms said:
The primary issue he had with his gun (the video from shellgunning) stems from the roller-delayed action system design and the vacuum that is created in the chamber, when the shotgun is fired. What happened with his gun was a function of 2 factors.

1) He was using ammunition that had been stored for a while, resulting in some expansion in the diameter of the shells;

2) the force of the bolt being blown-back creates a vacuum within the chamber that either bulges the heads of the shells, or rips them apart.

Let me explain the second part further...

When the shell is seated in the chamber, depending on the diameter of the shell, it will either fit tightly or loosely. If the shell fits loosely in the chamber (which is more common) the gun will cycle more efficiently. If the shell fits tightly in the chamber, there is a greater likelihood that a vacuum-like effect will occur. Think of it like pulling a cork out of a wine bottle…the greater diameter of the shell, the greater the vacuum pressure in the chamber. When the vacuum pressure is high, the shell’s head can bulge or detach. Obviously, this has an impact on the guns ability to cycle.

After reports of this problem, we developed a solution that would accommodate shotgun shells of slightly different diameter.

Essentially, we etch grooves inside of the chamber of the shotgun so that the gasses can escape, thereby eliminating the vacuum-effect that occurred in some of the shotguns manufactured by SRM, early in its production.

The fact that we moved so quickly to understand a problem with the shotgun, develop a solution, and implement change to their manufacturing process should be viewed positively.

Same issue for the thread on AR15.com. That was back in 2011. As far as the ammo that FPSRussia was using, we are unsure of. The 1216 can be picky and we suggest heavier loads. If we setup that video with FPS, we would have gave suggestions, however, our company didn't contact him. He even made a mistake about saying you can put bean bags in one tube and slugs in the other. We have a special "less-than-lethal" bolt for the bean bags. You can't mix them with live loads.

We have shipped hundreds of 1216's and I can tell you now, the positive reviews FAR out weigh the negative. People are less likely to write a review if they have no issues. :)

Thanks again.
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Sounds good. I don't have anything against your company or shotgun, I just hadn't heard anything good. It will be a tough sell here though with 5 round mags.

Unless there's some way around it.... like if you send the tubes up separately with non permanent clips to clip them together
 
Thanks Cadgo

We are still learning the Canadian firearm rules and talking with officials there about shipping our shotguns.

California has strict gun laws too and a magazine round limit that our exceeds too, however, our magazine is counted as 4 separate magazines because you have to manually index it.

I'll keep you guys updated with this as I learn more.
 
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SRM_Arms said:
Thanks Cadgo

We are still learning the Canadian firearm rules and talking with officials there about shipping our shotguns.

California has strict gun laws too and a magazine round limit that our exceeds too, however, our magazine is counted as 4 separate magazines because you have to manually index it.

I'll keep you guys updated with this as I learn more.
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Any new on this shotgun coming to canada I'd love to buy one!
 
SRM_Arms said:
We are still learning the Canadian firearm rules and talking with officials there about shipping our shotguns.

California has strict gun laws too and a magazine round limit that our exceeds too, however, our magazine is counted as 4 separate magazines because you have to manually index it.

I'll keep you guys updated with this as I learn more.
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Unfortunately, the CFC has already issued a ruling on the SRM, and is not appealable. This applies equally to the 1208, 1212 and 1216.

- the cartridge magazine utilized by the SRM Arms, Model 1216 is a detachable, high capacity, rotary magazine located under the barrel.- this rotary cartridge magazine is manually indexed and consists of a magazine body with four tubes which feed the cartridges in a linear fashion.
- this rotary cartridge magazine has been determined to be the complete assembly of the four magazine tubes and attaching points; therefore the magazine capacity is the sum of the capacity of all four tubes.
- this rotary cartridge magazine for this firearm in all capacities is a "Prohibited Device" unless reduced to five (5) shots or less.
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blaxsun said:
Unfortunately, the CFC has already issued a ruling on the SRM, and is not appealable. This applies equally to the 1208, 1212 and 1216.
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They can always make the 4 round tubes separate, and up to the gun owner to assemble those tubes together.
 
I think this is the gun that Williams Arms in Port Perry has for sale. The last time I was there they were showing my buddy & I a Shotgun that holds 16 rounds. Looks like a big black play toy but NOT. Give them a shoot in Port Perry Im sure this is the gun you are talking about.
 
munchkin750 said:
I think this is the gun that Williams Arms in Port Perry has for sale. The last time I was there they were showing my buddy & I a Shotgun that holds 16 rounds. Looks like a big black play toy but NOT. Give them a shoot in Port Perry Im sure this is the gun you are talking about.
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It was likely the UTAS UTS15. Similar look but a very different gun.
 
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