#1bcshooter
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Probably in the shipment with the T97's that are suppose to be here tomorrow (Aug)
My LGS had 2 left on Friday.
That was cryptic. Your LGS (what's that) had two what left on Friday? 2 spots to reserve M3's?
One possible complication is that if they weren't made from NOS parts kits and were made from once assembled parts kits then they are deemed converted auto by the guys in Ottawa and therefore prohibited. However if made from never assembled parts with semi auto side plate they are considered a new build and therefore not a converted auto.
Stupid laws in this country I tell you.
This info was provided to me recently by Ottawa in a recent email inquiry.
When the first TNW M2s and M1919s came in, the CFC accepted them as being new production because the right side plate was new, which the US BATF deemed to be the receiver. I recall someone on this board building a semi auto M1919 to the same specs and the CFC saying it would be deemed a converted auto as they felt the right side plate was not enough. Perhaps this is a way for the RCMP to stop more of these from coming into the country?
I am just speculating here, but it would not surprise me if this was the situation.
I wish this would sort itself out. Looks like I won't be seeing my M2 this shooting season....hopefully next year?
All 3 questions do not matter. We spent a TON of money on both 1919s and M2s doing EXACTLY what TNW did by replacing the side plate and trigger, modifying the bolt, yadda, yadda, yadda. We waited 2 years for the RCMP lab to classify these and on both counts they were classified as PROHIBITED, the reason stated was they were deemed "converted auto" which frankly although I feel it is crap given that TNW has the identical guns in this country that are classed as NON restricted.
We were counseled by William Etter ( guru in charge at RCMP lab) that if we were to make the 5 sides of the box that comprises the action, the rest was good to go.
We have side plates for the M2s already built to TNWs specs. Be happy to sell some.
Exporting the parts from the US is problematic as they are parts designed for "weapons of war"
SO now we are debating whether to invest many more thousands of dollars into making 1919s and M2s, I think this answers question 3 quite well.
The thing is, how can they prove a part is or is not NOS? I have seen used parts that looked like NOS once they were blasted and reparkerized. Unless the part is really worn it is virtually impossible to tell the difference. Even a newly manufactured part can look like an original part once it has been parkerized.
Who did you contact in Ottawa as I wouldn't mind finding a few things out myself in regards to TNW 1919s and M2HBs now being classified as converted-autos?
b) - the classification of this firearm as a semi automatic firearm is based on the presumption that none of the original five (5) receiver components were reused. This is what RCMP - SFSS understood to be the meaning of the claim by the manufacturer that the firearm is a "newly manufactured as a semi-automatic firearm".
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I somehow doubt the RCMP lab would have not known what was involved in the manufacture of the TNW Brownings. Since a new right side plate was all that was required in the US (along with internal modifications) how can they now claim that they believe all the 5 sides of the TNW receivers are all new manfacture.
This does not bode well for TNW owners I fear. That the RCMP are currently turning a blind eye to it for now, while claiming that they currently believe it is all new, should not make an owner feel real secure.
I somehow doubt the RCMP lab would have not known what was involved in the manufacture of the TNW Brownings. Since a new right side plate was all that was required in the US (along with internal modifications) how can they now claim that they believe all the 5 sides of the TNW receivers are all new manfacture.
This does not bode well for TNW owners I fear. That the RCMP are currently turning a blind eye to it for now, while claiming that they currently believe it is all new, should not make an owner feel real secure.
Also as I stated the existing TNW 1919's were made from new old stock USGI surplus parts kits. This means they were never assembled into a complete firearm. Therefore they do not fall under converted auto, they are brand new manufactured firearms. The reason TNW has discontinued production of the 1919 is because they ran out of surplus NOS parts kits. It's on the firearms lab to prove they weren't made from new parts at this point as they already issued the FRT report and number.