Battle of the bullpups! Type 97 vs Tavor... which is your pick?

[rma]

Like most western rifles, to much intricate parts. Saw videos of detail stripping of Tavor. To many fine machining that makes the Tavor expensive, To many screws and pins to keep the Tavor together. The T97 is based on the KISS system. Detail stripping of the T97 is simple and few components like the AK. Most components of the T97/QBZ-95 and AK are interlocking. Lots of videos of the T97/QBZ-95 reliability. The Tavor had issues before the Israeli army adopted it. The Tavor feels bulky and the T97 feels slim and trim. The T97 carries well and points well. That been said, I still love to own a Tavor.

[rma]

Like most western rifles, to much intricate parts. Saw videos of detail stripping of Tavor. To many fine machining that makes the Tavor expensive, To many screws and pins to keep the Tavor together. The T97 is based on the KISS system. Detail stripping of the T97 is simple and few components like the AK. Most components of the T97/QBZ-95 and AK are interlocking. Lots of videos of the T97/QBZ-95 reliability. The Tavor had issues before the Israeli army adopted it. The Tavor feels bulky and the T97 feels slim and trim. The T97 carries well and points well. The latest QBZ-95-1 have addressed the safety issue. Hope Norinco will incorporate the fixes to the T97 too. That been said, I still love to own a Tavor. The AKs are cheap too and most professional merc's prefer the AK.

[GTA Dragon]

Think I saw a Chinese Parade on the Tele and the soldiers in the front were carrying the Type 97. Hard to beat. The Chinese are buying our debt and putting people out of business here though.

Sigh!

[H Wally]

Tavor - even being cheaper norcs have too many issues both ergonomically and mechanically. Their quality has come up but nowhere near the degree that it'd make me inclined to spend $1000 on one. Rather spend extra on a gun such as the tavor.

[triplepete]

Bring in some Steyr AUGs and we'll talk!

[burnaby]

Ergonomics is very personal, comments indicates luv/hate for both rifles.

Quality keeps coming up but with no specifics. Are these referencing build/reliability quality or aesthetics. For me goes bang every time is quality, don't fondle my guns so won't pay extra for shine/polish.

As to China putting us out of business, did they do it to us or did we do it to ourselves. I'd pay 1.5x for a better quality T97 equivalent build in Canada BUT not holding my breath!!!

[triplepete]

I have held a T97 at a shop and was very surprised how it felt. Felt better than some Kel-Tec stuff I held... definitely worth the $grand if it goes bang. I do like the Kel-tec RFB but it's a bit heavy.

[HeadDamage]

There is nothing wrong with the quality of my T97.

[onetwentyish]

The only things wrong with the Tavor is the price and the weight of the trigger pull.

The only things wrong with the T97 is:
-poor iron sights
-Non existent feed ramp results in bullets pushed deep inside of casings
-Barrel gouge
-difficult to mount sights to with out up-gradeing
-poor mag release
-no bolt release
-terrible safety, which I find results in the safety not being used
-poorly placed RECIPROCATING charging handle
-odd ball commie muzzle threads
-terrible mag compatibility
-more difficult to field strip and put back together (more loose pieces)
-no spare parts to be had
-Not lefty compatible comfortably with out modification

Thats just off the top of my head.
I know there is much more.

[rocor98]

The only things wrong with the Tavor is the price and the weight of the trigger pull.

The only things wrong with the T97 is:
-poor iron sights
-Non existent feed ramp results in bullets pushed deep inside of casings
-Barrel gouge
-difficult to mount sights to with out up-gradeing
-poor mag release
-no bolt release
-terrible safety, which I find results in the safety not being used
-poorly placed RECIPROCATING charging handle
-odd ball commie muzzle threads
-terrible mag compatibility
-more difficult to field strip and put back together (more loose pieces)
-no spare parts to be had
-Not lefty compatible comfortably with out modification

Thats just off the top of my head.
I know there is much more.

But look at all the $ you have to fix any of the problems on the exagerated list that really bother you ... the T97 is a workhorse not a safe queen :-)