Is there any demand for an ALL Canadian made bolt action precision rifle?

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Whenever we can keep our products in house. It benefits all of us. I would love to see a nice hunting rifle with our Canadian Flag etched on it. And ATRS of course.
 
NaviDave said:
The price is too high - you will never see any sort of volume at $5500 plus HST.
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We are not trying to compete with Salvage or Tikka. High volume typically means cut corners and much lower quality. The industry already is full of guns that are designed to compete in the cheap to mid level quality. Many of the expensive rifles like Blaser, Mauser, Unique etc. are in that same price range, but do NOT offer much in options. They are great foreign made guns that are still production line manufactured to a large degree.

What we are doing is trying to offer a full custom built precision rifle that will minimally knock heads and most likely kick butt against any of the $6000.00 to $10000.00 dollar rifles that are offered by both foreign and domestic makers of similar style rifles. The BIG difference is that short of the raw materials and recoil pad EVERY part will be made right here in Canada.

Our 1/2 MOA accuracy guarantee would obviously be part of the deal as well as the unsurpassed customer support and service that we are already known for.
 
leonk05 said:
Whenever we can keep our products in house. It benefits all of us. I would love to see a nice hunting rifle with our Canadian Flag etched on it. And ATRS of course.
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It could be done, we have done many hunting rigs. The trick would be getting the stock maker to expand his line of offerings. Something that I think could be easily dealt with.
 
If you're going to have your stock supplier expand their line, a stock like McMillan's A3 Sporter (without the 6 month wait) would be awsome.
 
Frostyinhell said:
If you're going to have your stock supplier expand their line, a stock like McMillan's A3 Sporter (without the 6 month wait) would be awsome.
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All it takes is more molds, time and money.
To make an investment in molds or any production based equipment requires a demand being there from the consumer. Hence my asking the initial questions in this thread.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Like any custom built rifle much will depend on what options are wanted in the stock, metal finish, etc. Having the barrel nitrided to match the action makes the most sense to me. I would estimate in the $4800.00 to $5500.00 range for a repeater with pretty much all options in the stock, ie. adjustable butt system and cheek rest, rails and sling mounts. Caliber would dictate things like muzzle brake which would move it closer to the $5500.00 mark.
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Thanks for the quick response. As I am sure your rifles will be top shelf, $4-6000 is way outta my buget for a bolt gun. Good luck with your builds and sales. I'll get you won't have any trouble selling them given your excellent reputation.
 
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$5k for a full-custom built isn't far fetch at all.

Are the same guys saying here that it's too rich for their blood saying the same thing when talking about a PGW Coyote ($5,500CDN retail)?

Or around $5,300 USD + Import + Shipping + Taxes for a Surgeon Scalpel in short action?

Or an Rocky Mountain Work (Coralane Sporting) $4,050 hunting rig?

I would hope so. If not, it's another "critic the Cdn manufacturer" day on CGN!

My 2cents only, of course.

Rick - whatever you decide to do, I'm 100% positive that you'll be putting out a fantastic product as usual.
 
NaviDave said:
The price is too high - you will never see any sort of volume at $5500 plus HST.
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I wouldn't say the price is to high for the calibre of rifle we are talking about here. OP is after all Canadian made super rifle and is marketing it as such. The problem with the rifle is that no matter the cost it does not have the history of quality that its competitors have. I trust that the rifle will go bang when I pull the trigger but will it compare to the McMillan A5?

What OP really needs to do with this rifle is get in on the nationals or a rifle team willing to go international with it. International teams swore for the longest time said Barret 50s were garbage because they were not on the International scene. Reality was they were not allowed out of the country so rifle teams did not have access to them.

Alberta Tactical is not new to the business world so I do not say these things to suggest they are incapable of gauging the business risk to under take this challenge. Simply that new firearm manufactures will run into image issues because they are just unknown.

Looking at the Rem700 platform that costs anywhere from $500-5000 pending feature choices and options new! Every one of those rifles has the history of the 700's reliability even if there are rifles with the same options and cheaper.


That all said being so close to the manufacturing of this rifle puts OP to have a higher return. So if they're making 1k on each unit it only takes 10 rifle sales which would be a significantly small fraction of those looking for something that expensive in Canada.

sorry a head of time for grammar, smart phones suck to type on.
 
I'm sure I will get flamed for this but........I just had my full custom built on a Pierce action, Broughton Barrel, McMillian Stock, with a brake and it shoots a 1/2 minute for $3,500. Why would the CDN components or the ATRS brand drive the price up another 2k? I know of a few guys getting builds done around here for that mid 3k mark getting great rifles and that is importing everything. I would think getting everything local without having to pay the imports on everything should reduce the price. Especially when you don't have the big names and reputations like Mcmillian and Krieger etc. I assume you are talking Gaillard? Not to knock the ATRS quality, almost everything I have heard about ATRS has been positive, I just don't understand how there is such a huge differential in the prices when all the components are the same. Flame On!!
 
Schecter 81 said:
I'm sure I will get flamed for this but........I just had my full custom built on a Pierce action, Broughton Barrel, McMillian Stock, with a brake and it shoots a 1/2 minute for $3,500. Why would the CDN components or the ATRS brand drive the price up another 2k? I know of a few guys getting builds done around here for that mid 3k mark getting great rifles and that is importing everything. I would think getting everything local without having to pay the imports on everything should reduce the price. Especially when you don't have the big names and reputations like Mcmillian and Krieger etc. I assume you are talking Gaillard? Not to knock the ATRS quality, almost everything I have heard about ATRS has been positive, I just don't understand how there is such a huge differential in the prices when all the components are the same. Flame On!!
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The cost of labor in Canada is double or more than what it is in the USA. The overhead costs are also higher. Many states will subsidize manufacturers in a bid to increase the employment rates. This is why so many gun related manufacturers are located in Montana, Idaho, North Dakota and Texas.

On the pricing of the stock it will be comparable to what a LANDED McMillan is.

Nope not Gaillard.

It is also an unfair comparison to compare our actions to the Pierce. Our actions are made of a superior grade (416R) stainless steel, our bolts are true 1 piece with a coned nose, our action comes with a stainless steel picatinny rail, recoil lug, tactical type bolt knob and are all salt bath nitrided for maximum durability, rather than merely CeraKoted. CeraKote is a great product and is a WAAAAAY cheaper way to finish an action, but is not even in the same galaxy for durability and prevention of wear.
I could not find whether the Pierce is a 1 piece bolt or not from their website.

Also with the sheer difference in market size the US has a distinct advantage of volume, something Canada will never have. Anytime you can make much more of something the economies of scale enter into the equation.

The closest direct comparison would be the Dakota Arms rifles.

Sometimes understanding the differences and why there is a disparity on price helps.
 
There would definitely be a market depending on price and quality.

Do not forget Canada's market is small 3million + or - PAL holders, to sell volume and for the investment to make sense there has to be an affordable option as well as a high quality option.

I would definitely buy a rifle just because it is made in Canada but price has to be reasonable
 
I would rather see NR short 12 "or 14 " barrel rifle with a nice lightweight stock in 7.62x39 ,300 blackout ,223 extra extra
There are lots of good precision rifle already on the market but not much for NR-SBR
Right now just mares leg and sum 22 and shotguns
Make a bear rifle with a 12" barrel I would buy one
 
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Thanks Rick, I appreciate some of the specifics when it comes to the differences. It really comes to selling the features and benefits to justify the price difference. For some reason though when I had you guys quote me on my build with a Stiller and all the same components (Krieger not Broughton) You guys were still low 5k. Is there a significant difference in you smithing techniques that set your builds apart? FYI the Pierce is a two piece bolt but did come with the recoil lug and stainless rail. What is the benefit of a coned bolt?
 
I definitely support the idea, I love seeing stuff made in Canada and want to support local manufacturers. Price is way out of my league though. Would be nice if there could be a more affordable option for the average joe in addition to the top end rifle. Just my 2 cents..
 
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