Prod optics....
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Has it been approved for Canada? Last I heard it was being discussed as a polymer-only division with slide milling not permitted but had not received the go-ahead by IPSC Canada.
It has been adopted nationally by the Czech Republic I think? But that's it.
It has been adopted nationally by the Czech Republic I think? But that's it.
I heard no such thing. I certainly wasn't aware the IPSC Canada could make its own rules. I just read the division was approved starting Jan 2018 until 2020. Its going to be the exact same as current prod but with optic. No after market mods to the slide to fit the optic. That means a plate in the sight channel or the slide being adapted for the optic from the manufacturer.
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Approved by IPSC Canada or approved by IPSC international? If IPSC Canada has not approved it for Canada then it doesn't exist within Canada.
What I know about it is from the IPSC Ontario forum where comments from IPSC Canada board members make announcements. Production Optics was supposed to be proposed at a meeting as a polymer-only division after the world shoot. There's been no news since then that I can find. I may be missing something, I don't know.
Don't get me wrong, I'm eagerly waiting for production optics myself, but I haven't seen anything official from IPSC Canada about it other than what I stated.
What I know about it is from the IPSC Ontario forum where comments from IPSC Canada board members make announcements. Production Optics was supposed to be proposed at a meeting as a polymer-only division after the world shoot. There's been no news since then that I can find. I may be missing something, I don't know.
Don't get me wrong, I'm eagerly waiting for production optics myself, but I haven't seen anything official from IPSC Canada about it other than what I stated.
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I suggest you formally ask the section coordinator. PM me if you need his email.
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My SVI (Super Visually Impaired device) arriving by the end of this month.
Thanks.
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PS to Tony without Benelli: Can't shoot straight but I have a nice gun
... and good bullets to feed it!! 
Thanks.
(said the now broken man)
PS to Tony without Benelli: Can't shoot straight but I have a nice gun
... and good bullets to feed it!! PO Box 51032
RPO Rockingham Ridge
Halifax, NS B3M 4R8
Canada.
IPSC Canada
October 15, 2017
Regarding: Production Optics Division.
To whom it may concern;
At the IPSC General Assembly held on August 26, 2017 in Chateauroux, France – the Assembly
overwhelmingly voted in favor of a investigating new division, known as Production Optics. The IPSC
Executive gave their blessing for the regions to trial the new division, but they did not provide the regions
with a rule set.
After extensive discussion with many regions, the region of Canada has decided to implement the
attached (see next page) rule set for Production Optics for trial. Basically, it is the Production Rule Set,
utilizing the production gun list but allowing slide mounted red dot optic sights.
Beginning in 2018; All Canadian sections can use this rule set to offer the Production Optics division to
their competitors at their matches. Some things IPSC Canada members should be aware of:
1. IPSC Matches have the choice to not offer division recognition at a match. (they can chose
not to recognize Production Optics or even Standard at a match.)
2. Since this is a trial division; at Level 3 matches no president’s medals will be available for
awards for Production Optics.
3. This is a trial division. While we and many other regions believe this is the best direction for
Production Optics; IPSC could chose to not go ahead with it or modify the rules disqualifying guns
or components that are permitted in this version of the rule set. Of course, if this happens, IPSC
Canada will notify its membership as soon as possible.
We hope that this new division will offer a popular option to competitors and with luck, be popular enough
to grow like our other divisions.
Yours truly,
Sean Hansen
Regional Director, IPSC Canada
APPENDIX D6: Production Optics Division (Trial)
1. Minimum power factor for Major Not applicable
2. Minimum power factor for Minor 125
3. Minimum bullet weight No
4. Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9 mm (0.354”) / 19 mm (0.748”)
5. Minimum bullet caliber for Major Not applicable
6. Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4a) 2.27 kg (5 lbs.) for first shot
7. Maximum handgun size Maximum barrel length 127 mm
8. Maximum magazine length No
9. Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, see below
10. Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50 mm (see Rule 5.2.5)
11. Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies Yes
12. Optical/electronic sights Yes, see below
13. Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors No
Special conditions:
14. Only handguns listed as approved on the IPSC website may be used in Production Optics Division. Note that
handguns deemed by IPSC to be single-action-only are expressly prohibited. The official IPSC protocol used to
measure barrel length is described in Appendix E4b.
15. Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked (see Rule 8.1.2.5), at the Start Signal. First shot
attempted must be double action. Competitors in this Division who, after the issuance of the Start Signal and
prior to attempting the first shot, #### the hammer on a handgun which has a loaded chamber, will incur one
procedural penalty per occurrence. Note that a procedural penalty will not be assessed in respect of courses of
fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty chamber. In these
cases, the competitor may fire the first shot single action.
16. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model
handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably
required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited
modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. racking or charging handles, flared,
enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or
adding stripes, stippling or other embellishments.
16.2 Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 15 rounds at the Start
Signal. Identifying marks or decals, internal capacity limiters, bumper pads and additional witness holes,
which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines, are permitted.
16.3 Sights may be trimmed, adjusted and/or have colors applied. Sights may also be fitted with fiber optic or
similar inserts.
17. Aftermarket parts, components and accessories are prohibited, except as follows:
17.1 Aftermarket magazines are permitted, subject to 16.2 above.
17.2 Aftermarket open sights (see Rule 5.1.3.1) and mounting plates are permitted, provided their installation
and/or adjustment requires no alteration to the handgun.
17.3 Aftermarket grip panels which match the profile and contours of the OFM standard or optional grip
panels for the approved handgun and/or the application of tape on grips (see Appendix E3a) are
permitted. However, rubber sleeves are prohibited.
18. Optical sights must be mounted to existing sight fitting points installed on the upper rear of the slide by the OFM
(i.e. dovetails or dedicated optical sight mounting points only). Racking or charging handles or other similar
protuberances cannot form part of the optical sight or its mounting.
19. This division will expire on 31 December 2020 unless previously extended.
RPO Rockingham Ridge
Halifax, NS B3M 4R8
Canada.
IPSC Canada
October 15, 2017
Regarding: Production Optics Division.
To whom it may concern;
At the IPSC General Assembly held on August 26, 2017 in Chateauroux, France – the Assembly
overwhelmingly voted in favor of a investigating new division, known as Production Optics. The IPSC
Executive gave their blessing for the regions to trial the new division, but they did not provide the regions
with a rule set.
After extensive discussion with many regions, the region of Canada has decided to implement the
attached (see next page) rule set for Production Optics for trial. Basically, it is the Production Rule Set,
utilizing the production gun list but allowing slide mounted red dot optic sights.
Beginning in 2018; All Canadian sections can use this rule set to offer the Production Optics division to
their competitors at their matches. Some things IPSC Canada members should be aware of:
1. IPSC Matches have the choice to not offer division recognition at a match. (they can chose
not to recognize Production Optics or even Standard at a match.)
2. Since this is a trial division; at Level 3 matches no president’s medals will be available for
awards for Production Optics.
3. This is a trial division. While we and many other regions believe this is the best direction for
Production Optics; IPSC could chose to not go ahead with it or modify the rules disqualifying guns
or components that are permitted in this version of the rule set. Of course, if this happens, IPSC
Canada will notify its membership as soon as possible.
We hope that this new division will offer a popular option to competitors and with luck, be popular enough
to grow like our other divisions.
Yours truly,
Sean Hansen
Regional Director, IPSC Canada
APPENDIX D6: Production Optics Division (Trial)
1. Minimum power factor for Major Not applicable
2. Minimum power factor for Minor 125
3. Minimum bullet weight No
4. Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length 9 mm (0.354”) / 19 mm (0.748”)
5. Minimum bullet caliber for Major Not applicable
6. Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4a) 2.27 kg (5 lbs.) for first shot
7. Maximum handgun size Maximum barrel length 127 mm
8. Maximum magazine length No
9. Maximum ammunition capacity Yes, see below
10. Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso 50 mm (see Rule 5.2.5)
11. Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 applies Yes
12. Optical/electronic sights Yes, see below
13. Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressors No
Special conditions:
14. Only handguns listed as approved on the IPSC website may be used in Production Optics Division. Note that
handguns deemed by IPSC to be single-action-only are expressly prohibited. The official IPSC protocol used to
measure barrel length is described in Appendix E4b.
15. Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked (see Rule 8.1.2.5), at the Start Signal. First shot
attempted must be double action. Competitors in this Division who, after the issuance of the Start Signal and
prior to attempting the first shot, #### the hammer on a handgun which has a loaded chamber, will incur one
procedural penalty per occurrence. Note that a procedural penalty will not be assessed in respect of courses of
fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty chamber. In these
cases, the competitor may fire the first shot single action.
16. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model
handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably
required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited
modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. racking or charging handles, flared,
enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or
adding stripes, stippling or other embellishments.
16.2 Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 15 rounds at the Start
Signal. Identifying marks or decals, internal capacity limiters, bumper pads and additional witness holes,
which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines, are permitted.
16.3 Sights may be trimmed, adjusted and/or have colors applied. Sights may also be fitted with fiber optic or
similar inserts.
17. Aftermarket parts, components and accessories are prohibited, except as follows:
17.1 Aftermarket magazines are permitted, subject to 16.2 above.
17.2 Aftermarket open sights (see Rule 5.1.3.1) and mounting plates are permitted, provided their installation
and/or adjustment requires no alteration to the handgun.
17.3 Aftermarket grip panels which match the profile and contours of the OFM standard or optional grip
panels for the approved handgun and/or the application of tape on grips (see Appendix E3a) are
permitted. However, rubber sleeves are prohibited.
18. Optical sights must be mounted to existing sight fitting points installed on the upper rear of the slide by the OFM
(i.e. dovetails or dedicated optical sight mounting points only). Racking or charging handles or other similar
protuberances cannot form part of the optical sight or its mounting.
19. This division will expire on 31 December 2020 unless previously extended.
