Canadian made "black" rifle

[onetwentyish]

Adjustable gas piston, semi-auto, caliber convertible-quick barrel change, single optic on a fixed chassis, take down, STANAG/pistol mag fed, Geissele adjustable trigger with CARBON FIBRE EVERYTHING. With a an eye to the World market, NOT just the Canadian market. The rifles sold overseas could subsidize the cost of the rifles sold in Canada and therefore be offered to Canadians at a reduced rate...

You just described my ACR to a tee. Doesn't sound like a better firearm, and doubt it can be produced cheaper in Canada.

[Longarm9]

Personally I agree with this. A VEPR, PSL, SVD kind of rifle that doesn't resemble any AK like internals. I would be all over that.

Not to get off track, but it triggers me every time I see a reference to it - the SVD is totally unrelated to the AK and has absolutely nothing in common with it internally (or externally, really, other than an extremely vague visual resemblance).

[Mr_Mike]

I understand wanting a non-polymer lower, just making a point in case you are one of the guys who read that the polymer lower on the 180 is a ticking time bomb that is about to fail any second now. Plenty of modern rifles use polymer extensively in their construction and it is not a problem.
I prefer aluminum as well but I carry and shoot my 180B without any worry about it failing at the hinge-pin.

I'd only be guessing on a timeline for the upper but as far as I know the lower has only been in the works for a year or two, the upper should be easier since it's not the serialized part. My guess would be that once they have a lower in production and selling the upper will be a year behind it hopefully making it three options at that time (upper/lower/full rifle).

Yes, society has been brainwashed to think that unless a car is fast it's no good. This is why even minivan advertising always mentions it has 300+ horse and they come with 18 inch rims with low profile tires. Ya, lots of minivan racing out there on the streets, it's becoming a real problem. All that crap does is reduce reliability and increase operating costs now that tires cost twice as much just to look cooler.

no racing but they are used in chases

[Jonesyatpl]

Maybe the new Maccabee Defense mentioned in the other thread will be a solution. Unless he decides to gouge......

[CanAm]

FWIW the upper is an order of magnitude more difficult than the lower. Each major part of the upper is roughly the same work as the lower.

[Sinbad]

Is this your way of saying these are going to be big bucks?

[HarveyDeRoy]

Is this your way of saying these are going to be big bucks?

Probably...

[CanAm]

Is this your way of saying these are going to be big bucks?

not at all. I discussed price previously

[Sunchild2071]

Nice of CanAm to provide insight to a few of the realities of the process.

[winchester94]

not at all. I discussed price previously

Effin eh can am