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Thread: Action: Gun Ban is a Western Alienation Issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by greentips View Post
    Thank you for all the opinions and expressions on the general topic of firearms politics.

    This thread is not about why there should be a Wexit or going in circle as to why the Liberals do what they do , this thread is about providing an actionable item so everyone can participate immediately for effect on the Liberals election promise concerning firearms and gun bans.

    The simple actionable item right now is to get your western MPs and MPPs to take the gun issue to the discussion between the Federal government and the provincial representatives of both the Federal ridings and the Provincial premiers.
    Just like your actionable item before the election, howd that work out for you? You are relying on the system that deliberately under represents actual westerners to let your voice be heard? Elections are where our voices are supposed to be heard, but look at how disproportionately those from the east get to decide? This is why people are starting to realize if they ACTUALLY want to achieve anything they cant keep taking the easy way out by copying and pasting ridiculous generic emails and letters that literally no politicians read or care about. We need to reform a system that treats us as less than others in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBD View Post
    To me it’s bigger than guns. I am from NB and in solidarity with the west if it decides to separate. They pay more than their share to support the confederation and receive not nothing but worse than nothing obstructions from Quebec Ontario to make their lives harder. The west is not looking for a handout the federal government pandering to Quebec is making it impossible to bring oil to market. Making Americans wealthy the west poor. If that is what it means to be a Canadian now I am sorry for the sacrifices I made in defending it.
    Well said, thank you brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_1982 View Post
    We need to stick together. Don’t help screw over those of us stuck in Ontario just to save your own skins!
    Why not? Central and Eastern canada have done that to the west for decades? God damn sheep out there disapprove of what Alberta does but eat the bread it buys. Enough is Enough!

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    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartok5 View Post
    Western Alienation is not just a "hot topic", trust me on that. It is a very real and growing sentiment within the Western Provinces, namely Alberta and Saskatchewan. From my perspective as an Albertan firearms owner, the best way to prevent a ban has little to do with letter writing and is more realistically focused on Western regional secession from the remainder of Central and Eastern Canada (and presumably the Southern Coast of BC). Western separation is the clearest way that I can see to avoiding a ban not just for the next 4 years, but for the rest of my life and those of my children's children! Of course, the senitiments fuelling Western alienation within Canada have much more to do with economics, resource development, employment and associated standards of living than anything to do with firearms. What I am simply saying is that solving the larger problem will also solve the lesser problem of firearms bans. Such bans would not be entertained in the new, conservative-values Western Nation formerly known as Western Canada. Face it - the ideological gulf between the West and Central and Eastern Canada is simply too wide to address with empty platitudes. Westerners are independent-minded entrepreneurs who value hard work and desire responsible exploitation of their natural resources while they still have market value. Central and Eastern Liberals (not all Central and Eastern Canadians, but far too many) desire a socialist, utopian nanny-state that will address their every need through income-levelling and handouts at the expense of future generations. Painting with a broad brush? Yes, but the element of truth cannot be denied. We now have a "nation" of 3 solitudes - the West, Quebec, and whatever is left of Central and Eastern Canada. Confederation is a failure as regional imperatives (eg. economic survival) assume far more importance than any national aspiration. The current electoral map is a perfect "snap shot" of how Canadians from different regions view their world. Ideas, methods and desired outcomes are far, far different in Alberta than in the Maritimes these days. Empty platitudes regarding "National unity" aren't going to cut it this time. Unlike Quebec's constant game-playing, the West is not fvcking about. We want out. And we'll take our guns with us, thank-you very much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lapua001 View Post
    The Following may help your idea and thread
    The bloc is in Quebec gun country and this Liberal comment, may apply to them also:
    Some here said that Liberals will never support firearms owners and from the Party leadership in 2019 that is True, however they are now in a Minority, they lost Ralph Goodale (probably had his riding of some/many? firearms owners expelled him on Monday). Alberta and Sask expelled the liberals completely and Trudeau is today not as arrogant as he was on Monday night. And a new term for the West has become public 'Wexit". Some of the PM's people if not the PM himself realize they have gone too far and people are sorely pissed with the liberal

    Where am I going with this. With a Liberal minority and the loss of the popular vote the PM and the PMO is in less of a position to whip the vote and vote time; especially when MPs say remember what happened to Ralph Goodale? It this light and because many liberal riding have a lot of gun people in them they dont want to have to fight and insurgency and many liberals privately know this gun confiscation is too far for people who have never been the criminal or crazy problem. In voting for us, perhaps its better being re-elected Rather that joining Ralph and others for EI? Maybe these MPs will throw this gun crap under the bus rather than their own jobs; - like Ralph Naked self interest can be useful sometimes

    How many Liberals in this minority Govt will break with the party line out of self preservation if noting else? Remember they also lost the popular vote and that should hit home

    Keep the ideas coming. There is a way to work this problem but we need to stay positive, defiant and constructive with the plain truth on our side and nothing to apologize for folks
    Well said but also to add, Lieberals have completely lost any of their legitimacy from rural B.C. all the way to middle of Manitoba. How can they implement a radical policy such as large gun ban/confiscation in a region of size of half of Europe where they do NOT have a single seat ? Any political adviser or analyst would say they're crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power Pill View Post
    I love the idea, but I live in Ontario and my MP is Liberal...Wish i could help on this..
    Yes you can help. This is exactly the time to let your MP know. You now have clear evidence with the election results that Lieberals have miscalculated big time in half of the country being completely wiped out. Tell him/her they have zero and I mean zero moral right to implement any of their policy they wish here in the west. The west clearly told them they are hated and not welcome and that the west wants nothing to do with Lieberal policies. This is what you tell him/her. You can be blunt about it because they have lost the mandate.

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    Done.

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    One more reason to join Wexit

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    Just got this from a friend:

    “THE WESTERN MANIFESTO

    A spectre hounds western Canada – the spectre of separatism. All the powers of old Canada have entered a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: the Laurentian elites, the French-Canadian socialists, welfare-boosting maritime politicos, the Pacific Ocean leftists, foreign-funded activist organisations, bon vivants, dilettantes and counterfeit environmentalists.

    Why did it happen? What caused Canada’s hardest-working, least government-dependant region to find herself so utterly discombobulated and detached from the rest of the country? Why did Canada’s cash register and breadbasket suddenly revolt against confederation – a pact that has been thinly held for only 152 years?

    It happened because the West became tired. Tired like a canola farmer after a long day at the homestead, whose product has been embargoed by the Prime Minstrel’s most-admired “basic dictatorship of China”, who blocked off the prairie fluorescent staple. Tired like an oil patch worker who has toiled for years on end, only to be laid-off because the dysfunctional confederation allows foreign-funded greenies to prop-up the barely-there provincial coalition in British Columbia, who decided it was a good idea to stonewall any prospects of having the West’s black treasure exported to world markets – a measure not extended to the world’s most aggressive, nasty and human-rights-depriving oil-producing jurisdictions (including such champions of freedom as Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Yemen). Drained like a horse that has received too many lashes – and gets no carrots at all.

    The West in general – and Alberta in particular – is aggravated with the fact that the so-called civilized political discourse has elected the big swindle of anthropogenic climate change as the only acceptable answer to the valid scientific question: “is the climate changing drastically, and, if so, are humans the main driver of the change?” The Overton Window, the range of political ideas considered tolerable, has swung so much to the left that one cannot have a real debate on this topic, if one wants a seat at the nation’s decision bodies. The only “respectable” opinion, on this matter, is not whether man is cancerously destroying the world – but the degree in which mankind is doing so. Radicals who think we should return to a pol-potist agrarian, pre-industrial society in all but 10 years are listened to by the federal government; unemployed Albertans, veterans and farmers are not.

    The very circumstance that none of the mainstream federal parties dare even to question this preposterous assumption – most of the times with the oxymoronic assertion that “the science is settled” – is especially haunting. The fact that Canada has sheepishly followed other nations in adhering to unrealistic climate goals as set up by the Kyoto and Paris accords (all the while being responsible for less than 2% of the world’s carbon emissions, whilst big polluters like China and India remain uncensored), at the price of shutting down the entire economy of Alberta is downright outrageous, foolish and suicidal. This was made particularly clear in the October 21st, 2019 election: of the six contending parties, four had explicitly declared their aim in “winding down” or “closing off” Alberta’s oilsands (Liberals, New Democrats, Greens and Bloc Quebecois); of the two parties who had not done so (Conservatives and PPC), only one was remotely electable. The anti-Alberta block in the current parliament outnumbers the MPs who do not want to turn the prairies into an apocalyptic wasteland (217 versus 121). As if this were not enough, we have, at the head of the federal government, a bumbling fool who stated in a very recent past that “Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn't work.” Nevertheless, Prime Minister National Embarrassment was, of course, duly reelected by the Eastern and Central parts of the Dominion.

    Western alienation, however, is not just the product of recent insults, or of topical problems like the expansion of a single pipeline, or of the pathetic results of a single federal election. Far from it. The west wants out, for the most part, because it is completely different from Eastern Canada. There is precisely nothing that we share, ideologically, with the volksgeist of the East. They believe in more government, we believe in less government. They cherish the collective “rights”, whilst we the individual rights. They pray at the altar of post-nationalism and globalism whilst we abhor such atrocious ideas. We, dear Eastern Canadians, are different, and have always been so. We need a divorce – and the earlier, the better.

    It is our hope and aspiration that this is done legally and without violence, under the auspices of the Clarity Act. We wish to retain Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as our nominal head of state, for the British Monarchy caused us no grievances, and our military and legal immigrants (along our law enforcement agents) have explicitly sworn loyalty to the Crown. To the extent that monarchy has not interfered (and will not interfere) with any of our political aspirations, we shall keep our oaths and our loyalty – but, henceforth, under the blue banner of Alberta.

    We need individual rights legally recognized, starting with the most important of all – freedom of speech, including freedom to say, defend and publish potentially offensive ideas. Without the risk of offending, honest debates are impossible. Free speech shall be constrained only by the very narrow confines of the Criminal Code. "If liberty means anything at all”, George Orwell once wisely stated, “it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

    We need the power of the state reined in, and we want it circumscribed to its most essential functions: internal and external security, infrastructure and fundamental healthcare and education. We say no to public broadcasters. We need to pay a lighter tax burden. We need not to live beyond our means, and, unlike the East, we will not mortgage the future of our children to pay for our current desires. We don’t need much from the government; it needs its citizens more than the other way around.

    To the extent that the right to life and the right to be free are recognized, so should the right to keep and bear arms, as firearms rights are the first corollary of the right to live in freedom. We believe in self-defence, and reject the ridiculous notion that protecting one’s own life and property is somehow morally wrong.

    We need control over our own immigration regulatory framework. Immigration numbers and demographics should reflect the West’s cultural and economical aspirations. Immigrants should be selected, by and large, from societies that share our own cultural background – and no, Alberta is not part of a “post-national state”.

    Our public school system, which should be our great equalizer – giving poor and rich equal opportunities in life –, has become a viper’s nest of the most radical leftist ideologues and dogmatists. It requires urgently to be purged of such tendencies, lest the West becomes just like the East in one generation’s time. We demand a non-partisan education system, from elementary school to university. There should be competition between public and private schools, and parents should have the right to choose where they want their offspring to study.

    We also need competition in healthcare. There is no rational reason for the state to have the monopoly in the delivery of health services. Several decades of state monopoly brought the good (universal access) with the very bad (long waiting lists, inadequate care, crowded emergency rooms etc).

    We require the rule of law and parliamentary supremacy. No more activist judges. No more “creative interpretation” of statutes and treaties by unelected judges. No more annulment of the will of the people by a heavily politicized Supreme Court. Courts should apply the law, not create it. We are disgusted by the cancellation by leftists on the bench of mandatory minimum sentences; we are outraged by the undisguised bias that family courts have against fathers; we reject the notion that race ought to be a mitigating factor in the sentencing of criminals (as decided by the Supreme Court of Canada in R. v. Gladue). We demand harsh criminal laws, not the revolving door system we currently have. We want to live in peace and safety.

    We require reason to prevail in public spending; we will take care of our veterans, senior citizens and our severely handicap brothers and sisters before spending a dime in foreign aid. We will honour the treaties that have been signed by the Crown, and we will encourage integration and economic prosperity for Western aborigines.

    Our movement is earnest – unlike that of Quebec separatists, who are only interested in sucking more from the Confederation. We do not want more from Canada. We don’t want a new form of equalization, for the same reason a battered wife does not want more allowances from an abusive husband – she wants a divorce. We don’t want a token pipeline, a benevolent nod from a corrupt central government. We want no part in it. We want out – in an orderly but expedient fashion. The West has nothing to lose, and has the world to win.

    G.K. Zhukov”
    Last edited by Steyn; 10-29-2019 at 10:09 AM.
    Long live Alberta.

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