0.25 MOA right out of the box!
- Thread starter Chatrbaz84
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rifle at the bench ?
There are few commercial bullets which are capable of true .25 moa accuracy. To be clear, a .25 moa rifle , to me, is a rifle can be counted on to produce a .25 moa five shot group ON DEMAND. Not every once in a while; anytime. A rifle which shoots a group of .22 moa then follows up with a .4 is not a .25 rifle. There have been some factory 40X-BR rifles which were true .25 moa rifles but not too many.
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There are probably more rifles out there than you would think that can shoot 1/4 MOA but few shooters who know how to actually do it.
Look at it this way... Suppose I was to hand you a rifle that could shoot 0.25 MOA when bolted to a cement block in an indoor test range with no wind.
Once you get outside with it, light refraction, weather and humidity come into play and suddenly you cant shoot 1/2 MOA.
If you rest your rifle so it's pointing at the target and watch through the scope without touching the rifle, you will see the effect of mirage refraction as the target moves around as the light levels change in intermittent cloud cover or heat and humidity refracting this way or that. So the problem is that you don't know where the target really is at any given moment.
There is a way that you can know and that is by using a second scope as a spotting scope with a cell phone looking through it so you can see the target on the cell phone display and always shoot where the spotting scope is pointing.
This way no matter where the target appears to move, you are always shooting at the same place.
Look at it this way... Suppose I was to hand you a rifle that could shoot 0.25 MOA when bolted to a cement block in an indoor test range with no wind.
Once you get outside with it, light refraction, weather and humidity come into play and suddenly you cant shoot 1/2 MOA.
If you rest your rifle so it's pointing at the target and watch through the scope without touching the rifle, you will see the effect of mirage refraction as the target moves around as the light levels change in intermittent cloud cover or heat and humidity refracting this way or that. So the problem is that you don't know where the target really is at any given moment.
There is a way that you can know and that is by using a second scope as a spotting scope with a cell phone looking through it so you can see the target on the cell phone display and always shoot where the spotting scope is pointing.
This way no matter where the target appears to move, you are always shooting at the same place.
One more point....
Setting up a rifle to shoot 1/4 MOA at 100 yards is not very difficult... ask any 100 yard bench rest shooter.... takes a good slow twist barrel and light bullets... But it will be good for nothing at 500 yards.
Shooting 1/4 MOA with a rifle that can also be used at long range is an entirely different proposition.
Setting up a rifle to shoot 1/4 MOA at 100 yards is not very difficult... ask any 100 yard bench rest shooter.... takes a good slow twist barrel and light bullets... But it will be good for nothing at 500 yards.
Shooting 1/4 MOA with a rifle that can also be used at long range is an entirely different proposition.
During load development a few years ago, I got a .284” 5 shot group from a brand new AW (.308). After that wonder group, I could not get back into the .2’s no matter how hard I tried. The rifle was capable, the shooter was not.
I would set my expectations of a rifle/shooter combo on 1/2 moa, much more realistic.
I would set my expectations of a rifle/shooter combo on 1/2 moa, much more realistic.
I found it MUCH easier to shoot 1/2 moa 10 round groups at 300 yards than 1/2 moa at 100m.
It’s tougher than you think to truly shoot 1/4 Moa at 100-200 yards , not just a cherry picked group or two but on demand day in and day out no matter what the conditions are.not many rifles/ shooters are capable ,
Long range rifles suck at short range and short range rifles run out of gas at long range , short range stuff starts to fall off between 400-500 yards then the long bullets with higher bc’s take over.
Amen to that brother!!!
All I want is name ,
I know it depends on shooter , but a rifle that is not capable to shoots 1 MOA no shooter can shoot sub MOA with that rifle ,
.25 MOA outdoor is my goal
