1-4x24 or a red dot??

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Im looking for optics on my XCR and cant decide between a Millet DMS or a Aimpoint redot sight. The Millet is almost half the price and seems like it will work but I like the looks of a redot and am looking to use this rifle for some close up work on coyotes, under 200 yards.
What would you buy? How far do you guys shoot with redots?

Cheers!!
 
I think the aimpoint is a better optic but at 200yds, a half concealed coyote might be a big hard to find in that red dot....

That said, I have run an aimpoint on a 180b (then sold the rig) - for close in work it was actually quite fast (of course).

At least with the aimpoint, you have the option of the 3x magnifier.
 
The 1-4x variable is more versatile. It's almost as fast into action at close range at 1x with the ability to turn up the magnification for long shots, especially if you want to reach out to 200 yards. The reticle size with a dot sight will also limit your precision at longer ranges.
 
I have Millet DMS1-4x - absolutely hate it. Very short eye relief on "true 1" and changes when on magnification. So, if you adjust the scope position on x1, you will need to move your head to find clear view on 4x. If you adjust the scope position on x4, you need to move your head to find clear view on x1. I think may be I am just dumb and it's not the scope. However, I should have gone with Aimpoint or Triji. I cheaped out and paying for it.

ETA: I am buying fixed magnification scope next time (aimpoint or triji). Not negotiable.
 
For hunting, I would go 3x9. Then have a dot on a detachable ring for CQB blasting. Generic dots don't cost much at all and work just fine.

Most dots have a 3 to 4 moa dot. Looks tiny at SR but covers way too much real estate at longer distances.

I have shot out to 200yds with my M4 and a dot. Hit the rocks no problem - except the rocks are about 1 to 2ft across.

If I had varminting in mind, I would want to know that my bullet was going where I wanted, not somewhere on the animal.

I hope that you will be able to find a load for your XCR to meet your hunting goals. What I have seen of the accuracy does not impress me.

Jerry
 
scott_r said:
coldblood said:
I have Millet DMS1-4x - absolutely hate it.
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hmm, your're the first post Ive come across that hates the DMS. All the reviews at Midway and other forums seem to really like them for the price. Im not expecting S&B quality just a good bang for my buck. Thanks for your input.

Cheers!!
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The good reviews is what made me buy it in the first place, lol! :D Try to find somebody local who has this scope on their rifle and try it. This would be the best.
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coldblood said:
scott_r said:
The good reviews is what made me buy it in the first place, lol! :D Try to find somebody local who has this scope on their rifle and try it. This would be the best.
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Im buying one used for a good price, will try it out and see how it goes.
All the locals I know around here are Fudds who use 3-9x40's on their bolt action 30-06"s. You ask what scope to put on a black rifle and they near #### themselves when they see my non restricted XCR.

Cheers!!
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I think that low magnified optics are always a better bet than a red dot if your firearm warrants it. If someone already has 5 lbs of crap hanging off their "tactical" firearm, then a lightweight red dot is nice. A red dot is great and fast inside 100 yards or so, but after that, the scope will really take over and shine. On an XCR, I would go for a good 1x24 with an illuminated reticle.
 
wildphil24 said:
+1

For a bit more than an Aimpoint, you could get a Burris XTR14 or a Trijicon Accupoint 1.1-4 (the 1" tube is cheaper).

A 2500$ XCR deserve more than a 300$ optic.
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plus one for the trijicon, Ive shot it on a few different rifles, needless to say that i'll buy one. i would personally spend the money and not worry.
 
aimpoints are great but you will appreciate the magnfication of a good 1-4x24 but do yourself a favor and spend some money on it a Nightforce 1-4 is extremely hard to beat.
 
I've used a red-dot and a 1.5x-4.5x20 on my Cooey 64 for shooting gophers and rabbits. The dot and the 1.5x makes it possible to connect on moving targets and at close range. The small red dot (covers about 2-or-3 MOA, as close as I can figure).
I think this is actually pretty comparable to your situation. You're looking at longer distances; but gophers are generally smaller than coyotes...

I've abandoned the very low magnification shtick. Ya, it was potentially very fast, and it was a hoot trying to whack a rat or a bunny jogging through the grass...
I found the difficulty of placing my shots as precisely as I wanted was too much of a handicap. And the limit of 4.5x as a top power limited my range more than I wanted.
Basically, the dot and the low-powered scope offered most of the same disadvantages as the original iron sights without any big advantage (yes, placing the aiming point and the target in the same optical plane was an advantage, just not as large an advantage as I thought it was going to be).
Currently the rifle has a 6x-24x. That's a bit too much scope; but it's all I had laying about. I was thinking a 4x-16x or even a 3x-9x would be a better choice.
 
scott_r said:
Im looking for optics on my XCR and cant decide between a Millet DMS or a Aimpoint redot sight. The Millet is almost half the price and seems like it will work but I like the looks of a redot and am looking to use this rifle for some close up work on coyotes, under 200 yards.
What would you buy? How far do you guys shoot with redots?

Cheers!!
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For your use... I would get the Millet DMS. Honestly, a 100-200yd shot on paper with a reddot can be difficult. Add into the mix a coyote which is a smaller target and maybe concealed... Your going to have a difficult time making that shot.

As far as what I can shoot with a red dot, I can hit paper with mine at 100yds... I've never really tried to do much beyond that.
 
As a question, has anyone maybe used a red dot but rather than zeroing your POI to the center of the dot, zeroing for the top of the top (so you do not obscure the target) ? This might really help for those 2-300yd coyote shots....

Will post a similar thread in Optics, just to see if anyone else has done such a thing ?
 
Millet DMS

I have the Millet DMS on my Swiss Arms Classic. I also have a few red-dots sights.
The only draw back i find with the Millet is the donut reticle is quite large. But for hunting coyotes I would think it would be an excellent short and mid-range rig.
At 1x power it is almost as fast a red dot. At 4x it is clear. I was shooting 6" target yesterday and everything was easlly in the red at 200 yards. The limiting factor on accuracy is the large donut shaped red dot.
 
The Millet is good value for the money but I find it bulky and heavy for only a 1-4x scope. what about a 2 moa aimpoint with a magnifier?
 
A Leupold VX-II 1-4x20 might be another low power variable option worth considering. they're lighter and more compact than the Millett DMS.
 
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