10/22 belt feed?
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NavyShooter
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I believe the Crank-handle system puts it into the realm of "naughty/prohib".
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sillymike
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Belt feb in a 10/22... Don't see how you could easily adapt the design to pull the shell out of the belt and push it into the chamber...
If you have time (and $$) to spend, you might want to reproduce/improve the Lakeside Guns LM7, as far as I know, they are the only guys making a belt fed 22lr
http://www lakesideguns com/title1/upper.html
If you have time (and $$) to spend, you might want to reproduce/improve the Lakeside Guns LM7, as far as I know, they are the only guys making a belt fed 22lr
http://www lakesideguns com/title1/upper.html
The hard part will be the belts/links. I think for this to work easily, i would need some links/belts that would allow the cartridge to come out when pushed forward.
I don't think there are any out there like that so I'll need to try to make my own. It'll be a pain in the ass to do but i wouldn't need many for testing, and if it works It will be worth it.
I don't think there are any out there like that so I'll need to try to make my own. It'll be a pain in the ass to do but i wouldn't need many for testing, and if it works It will be worth it.
It does, its the bump firing assist stocks I'm not 100% sure on.
NavyShooter
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If it makes the gun fire full auto, then it's illegal.
The "Bump-firing assist stocks" are a no-go.
NS
The "Bump-firing assist stocks" are a no-go.
NS
Does it not depend on the actuation of the trigger (manual versus mechanical)?
Ever had a look at the Mitchell Arms teardrop mags? They worked, but were a PITA to load. A spring loaded belt, but because of the requirement to feed the cartridge forward, it had to be contained inside the mag body.
The problem I see with using part of the bolt momentum to haul the ammo through, is that you need a link system that allows the cartridge to be pushed off the link, towards the front.
The Lakeside (who took up the Tippman designs) belt feds, use the same system as the Browning full size guns. The top portion of the breech block picks up the rim and pulls it off the belt when the block is forced rearwards from the firing. During the cycle of the block, rearwards, then forwards, that cartridge is moved from the upper position, to the lower position, where it is placed in the chamber, where it is fired.
The cam you can see on the feed tray cover of the LM7 is for advancing the belt, during the cycle, and another cam track takes care of advancing the cartridges in turn, to the firing position on the bolt face.
There is a whole lot of internal motion going on inside one of these guns, with a pile of little parts.
An animation worth a look. http://www.coz-fx.com/animations.htm
The start of this vid shows the action pretty clearly too. http://www.videospider.tv/Videos/Detail/4132080621.aspx
Whether you use a belt, or disintegrating links, you have to get past the need to extract the cartridge from the belt, by pulling the cartridge to the rear.
I'd like to see someone build a snail drum, similar to the PPSH drum shown here, for the 10/22.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262220&highlight=ppsh+drum
I think something like that would be a pretty darn good seller, despite whatever silly price was attached to it, and a whole lot more practical than having to totally gut out and rebuild a 10/22.
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Trev
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275 rounds would make for one fun plinking session...
Might as well get a reloading tool too, and beware of how you fit it in (it's apprarently easy enough to tip-over and make a heck of a mess
).However, the belt-feed would be untilitarian - if/when it works, it'd be the greatest good, for the gretest number of 10/22 owners.
Ples, can you imagine a "true" belt-fed MG-42/34 10/22 setup?
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skeetgunner
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If they do still make them, it would be by special order. They're pretty much just a Paintball company now. Ben Tippman even spun off his own PB company from Tippman Inc.
They don't.
Lakeside Machine has taken over the designs that Tippman started. At one point, it said so on their site. I have not poked through the site lately, so it may or may not say so now. Worth going and having a look at, anyways.
They also sell belts and disintegrating links for 22 caliber. If you can get them.
The video in the link above shows both belts and links on an LM-7 upper on an AR lower. If you dig around online, there are vids of silenced versions, as well as vids of the miniature 30 call (.22 rinfire) and the mini 50 cal (.22 mag).
FWIW, the Tippman guns were the cover picture for the 1986 Guns Illustrated yearbook. The first article in that book is the test fire write-up.
Cheers
Trev
NavyShooter
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How many of you (please chime in) would be genuinely interested in buying a Lakeside .22 belt-fed.
Bear in mind, the price would probably be in the $5,000 range.
I've been in touch with lakeside, and they are happy to sell to us, but need to pay $2750 or so in fees to be able to acquire the export permit to sell into Canada, even for just 1 gun.
I'm not suggesting or proposing a group buy here. I'm just wondering, seriously, how many of you would be willing to pay that kind of coin for a little .22 belt-fed?
NavyShooter
Bear in mind, the price would probably be in the $5,000 range.
I've been in touch with lakeside, and they are happy to sell to us, but need to pay $2750 or so in fees to be able to acquire the export permit to sell into Canada, even for just 1 gun.
I'm not suggesting or proposing a group buy here. I'm just wondering, seriously, how many of you would be willing to pay that kind of coin for a little .22 belt-fed?
NavyShooter
Love to have one.
Not gonna happen at that price though.
Right up there with exotic cars, fast boats, Island paradise retreats, and a bunch of other things that want a bank account with a few more zero's on it.
<sigh>
Cheers
Trev
Not gonna happen at that price though.
Right up there with exotic cars, fast boats, Island paradise retreats, and a bunch of other things that want a bank account with a few more zero's on it.
<sigh>
Cheers
Trev
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Well, I know that a company makes a .22 belt fed upper for an AR-15. I think it's Lakeside Guns makes them.
NavyShooter
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Yes, Lakeside does make the .22 uppers for the AR down south.
Alas, without someone to cover the $2800 is import license fees, there's no good way for him to make a profit selling them up here.
*sigh*
So unless someone comes up with a home-grown version, we're up a creek with no paddle.
oh, and of interest's sake, I've spent a couple of days looking at *stuff*, and there's some rather specialized tooling that'd be required to build one of these bad-boys. To the tune of at least a $300 investment for just 2 of the pieces of tooling required.
The idea of a home-grown (Canadian made) is nice, but unless Lakeside wants to sell blueprints (they don't) it's extremely difficult to build, and a 10/22 as the host would NOT work.
NS
Alas, without someone to cover the $2800 is import license fees, there's no good way for him to make a profit selling them up here.
*sigh*
So unless someone comes up with a home-grown version, we're up a creek with no paddle.
oh, and of interest's sake, I've spent a couple of days looking at *stuff*, and there's some rather specialized tooling that'd be required to build one of these bad-boys. To the tune of at least a $300 investment for just 2 of the pieces of tooling required.
The idea of a home-grown (Canadian made) is nice, but unless Lakeside wants to sell blueprints (they don't) it's extremely difficult to build, and a 10/22 as the host would NOT work.
NS
