10/22 Magazine capacity

Ty500+

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Okay. So educate me please

HOW are people using the BX-15, BX-25, 100rd drums and any other aftermarket reproduction of said magazines if we all know they fit the .22 Charger Pistol, and therefor fall under THIS:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

And require pinning to 10rds?

Sorry if this a duplicate thread..I just wanted to know legalities/loopholes as I wanted a BX-15 for my newly aquired 10/22 VLEH
 
I actually had used the search. Nothing surfaced. It was an honest question..and obviously I've checked the RCMP site before hand.

Sorry I've frustrated everybody so quickly.

Might I add this:


"The Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted limit the capacity of certain firearm magazines in order to reduce the number of shots that can be fired in quick succession. As set out in the Regulations, the capacity limit of firearm magazines is based on the type of firearm the magazine was designed for. The maximum capacity is five cartridges for a magazine designed for a semi-automatic, centre-fire long gun, and 10 cartridges for a magazine designed for a handgun.

Larger-capacity magazines designed for these types of firearms are prohibited devices under the Criminal Code, and individuals cannot lawfully possess them. However, if the magazines are permanently altered, or pinned, so that they cannot hold more than the legal limit, they are no longer considered to be prohibited.

Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns that shoot rimfire ammunition are subject to a maximum capacity of 10 cartridges. The 25-shot Ruger BX-25 is interchangeable between the Ruger model 10/22 and SR22 rifles and Ruger 22 Charger handgun configurations (the product manual on the Ruger website states this explicitly) and is therefore considered a "handgun" magazine. Because handguns are limited to a ten shot magazine capacity in accordance with the Regulations (paragraph 3 (1)(b)), this limits the magazine capacity for the BX-25 magazine to ten (10) shots, despite the firearm being designed to use rim-fire ammunition.

The German Sport Guns Ruger 10/22 110-Round Drum Magazine, is a prohibited device because it is a dual-purpose magazine that is designed or manufactured to fit into a handgun. this particular magazine is also designed to fit the Ruger 10/22 platform, which, as it includes the Charger handgun is subject to the limit of 10 shots for handguns.



Hope this helps

Daniel Guay
A/Senior Firearms Technicician /Technicien senior en arme à feu.(Interim)
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Gendarmerie royale du Canada
Specialized Firearms Support Services (SFSS)
Services Spécialisés de soutien en matière d'armes à feu (SSSAF)
Firearms Technology Unit-Leikin (FTU-L) Supervisor
Groupe de la technologie des armes à feu-Leikin (GTAF-L) Superviseur
613-843-6892
daniel.guay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca"
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Ty500+ said:
I actually had used the search. Nothing surfaced. It was an honest question..and obviously I've checked the RCMP site before hand.

Sorry I've frustrated everybody so quickly.
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I wouldn't worry too much about offending folks

Our laws are foolish at best, some 25 round mags are legal, some aren't...

Butler Creek, Tactical Innovations, and many other are 25 rounds and perfectly legal. Ruger BX25 prohibited... Makes perfect sense right. ;)
 
For the same reason I cannot simply unpin my Magpul 308 magazines and use the full 20 or 25 rounds in my bolt action mossberg MVP.

Bolt action rifles have no magazine limit so according to that I should be able to but another law for AR magazines says I cannot. 22's are the same. Some are legal some are illegal its all a big cluster and a grey area that nobody really enforces or cares about but if a guy were to shoot his AR-15 outside of a range or unpin his magazines and blast off 30+ rounds the cops are gonna come running fast. Call the cops and tell them a guy with a 22 is shooting 25 round magazines or a guy with a bolt action rifle is shooting 20 rounds its like having tinted windows they are both technically illegal and legal at the same time depending on the gun or magazine but its just a huge pain to try to enforce and in the end was more trouble then it was worth dealing with. Some guns and some magzines are legal while others are not and unless your talking about an assault rifle the cops generally have better things to do with their limited resources then try to figure out our messed up gun and magazine laws they stick to the major issues and wont go out of their way to enforce the minor ones.

Oh as for the 110 round ruger drum magazines there are 2 versions the Canadian ones that say "Canadian edition for ruger 10/22 rifles" are legal the german ones that don't are illegal just like 10 round xcr pistol magazines are legal because they say pistol while the exact same magazine without pistol on it is illegal if you were to put 10 rounds into it.

Here is a pic of the "legal" ruger 10/22 drum magazine and its the writing on it that makes it the "legal" one

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Basically, if the magazine was designed for a rimfire rifle first, no capacity limit. If the magazine was designed for a rimfire pistol, 10 rounds limit. If the magazine was designed for a rimfire pistol and rifle right at the outset, 10 rounds limit.

RCMP just went with the most restrictive interpretation, as usual.
 
So it more or less comes down to Canadian marketing, packaging and advertising?

Eg.
Butler Creek only adverts "10/22 Rifle" on the package, therefore its legal?
Just ignore the fact we 'know' it fits the charger?
 
Ty500+ said:
So it more or less comes down to Canadian marketing, packaging and advertising?

Eg.
Butler Creek only adverts "10/22 Rifle" on the package, therefore its legal?
Just ignore the fact we 'know' it fits the charger?
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Bingo, Its what the magazine is intended for(rifle as marked), not what it might actually be used in(Charger).
 
Ty500+ said:
So it more or less comes down to Canadian marketing, packaging and advertising?

Eg.
Butler Creek only adverts "10/22 Rifle" on the package, therefore its legal?
Just ignore the fact we 'know' it fits the charger?
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Yes. Intended purpose and marketing. Stop trying to use logic with our laws.
 
SMH,
Okay, thanks a lot everybody for the quick clarity on the whole deal.
I do appreciate it, despite starting off on a bad foot.

Mods, honestly..if this really is such a largely asked question, maybe pin something to the top of the discussion forum?
 
There is a lot of things brought up regularily. Can't sticky everything. Perfectly reasonable question for Somone to try and understand IMO.
 
I asked a similar question a little while back. Completely understandalbe - and it will definitely continue to be asked as well. What reasonable person would not ask...

Anyway others answered but as for the 15 rnd bx, I don't know but I've only heard of it coming with the 10/22 charger.
I think it's a cool compromise between size and having a few extra.
 
TW25B said:
Here's the easy answer. If you can buy it at the store you can have it.

TW25B
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Not always true. Shortly after Bass pro shops opened in Vaughan I headed up to buy a ruger 10/22 stainless that they had on sale. After I bought the gun, I saw a display of bx-25 magazines - what a thrill to hold one in my hands in Canada. Off course I put the prohibited device back and had a private chuckle about those silly yanks who were oblivious to our laws. I just know somewhere a puppy was crying.
 
everyone forgot the best part to all this. the issues arose because of the charger pistol.... which is prohib in canada anyways..... so at no point was there every any risk of it being used in the charger at all.
 
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Margucci said:
everyone forgot the best part to all this. the issues arose because of the charger pistol.... which is prohib in canada anyways..... so at no point was there every any risk of it being used in the charger at all.
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Charger pistol was never prohib, just a market failure, so Ruger discontinued it.

I think thye might have tried to relaunch it, but it hasn't gained much traction.
 
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