10/22 OAL Question

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Looking for a consensus from the masses here. If I need to add a flash hider or other muzzle device to meet OAL requirements to remain non-restricted on a 10/22 build does this device need to be permanently attached to count towards OAL? If so would epoxy count as "permanent" or would the device need to be welded.

Thanks.
 
It doesn't work like that for our firearm laws. Where the barrel ends is the measuring point for OAL. Adding a muzzle device does not count toward barrel length
 
jory said:
It doesn't work like that for our firearm laws. Where the barrel ends is the measuring point for OAL. Adding a muzzle device does not count toward barrel length
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Correct.

Darc, you can buy 'commercially made' short barrels for a 10/22 and remain non-restricted (as long as the rifle OAL is kept > 26").... Dlask Arms is where I would be looking.
 
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Darc said:
I am using a dlask barrel. My question is regarding overall firearm length. Not barrel length.
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In that case you need to add to the stock end to increase OAL past 26". On the stock, spacers, thicker butt plate, etc etc are legal extensions to the OAL.

As above nothing you add on the muzzle end counts.
 
I understand where you are going with your question, and have looked into it myself with varying responses. Considering that barrel length isn't a real factor in designating a rimfire rifle, only OAL.... does that mean that the flash hider counts in the OAL or not ? I also would like to hear that responses.

BVK
 
Blasty Von Kablasm said:
I understand where you are going with your question, and have looked into it myself with varying responses. Considering that barrel length isn't a real factor in designating a rimfire rifle, only OAL.... does that mean that the flash hider counts in the OAL or not ? I also would like to hear that responses.

BVK
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Yes..I keep hearing conflicting information. Some say the flash hider counts towards oal of the firearm.
 
Paul_T said:
That is not correct
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Thanks. I'm going to get a longer barrel. I put an 11" barrel on my SR22 and with stock collapsed it's a 1/4" under 26". I was hoping a permanent flash hider would get me where I need to be. I don't really want to pin the stock.
 
Darc said:
Thanks. I'm going to get a longer barrel. I put an 11" barrel on my SR22 and with stock collapsed it's a 1/4" under 26". I was hoping a permanent flash hider would get me where I need to be. I don't really want to pin the stock.
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Can you put a 1/4 to 1/2" thicker butt pad on the stock or a spacer between the stock end and butt pad?
 
Darc said:
Looking for a consensus from the masses here. If I need to add a flash hider or other muzzle device to meet OAL requirements to remain non-restricted on a 10/22 build does this device need to be permanently attached to count towards OAL? If so would epoxy count as "permanent" or would the device need to be welded.

Thanks.
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I disagree with jory, for Overall Length (OAL) a device that is permanently attached to the muzzle should count towards the OAL, key word being permanently. I would suggest you verify what counts as being permanently attached (in my mind, welded or pinned is permanent as it would require tools to remove).

There is actually no legal definition of Overall length in the regulations but taking a note out of the dictionary (which commonly happens if there is no definition) "overall" is defined from Merriam webster as "with everyone or everything taken into account" taking everything into account would mean measuring from butt to muzzle without subtracting muzzle devices, or spacers if they are "permanently" attached.

Fenceline answered this question about measuring OVERALL Length


restricted firearm means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm, (not a handgun)

(b) a firearm that

(i) is not a prohibited firearm, (not prohibited)

(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and

(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, (not a semi auto center fire)

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or (only thing you need to worry about)

(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm; (arme à feu à autorisation restreinte) (not a named restricted)
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As always I'm not a lawyer but in essence I would think that a welded muzzle device will count towards OAL unless there is a ruling or definition somewhere saying it does not. (everything is legal, unless its named to be illegal)
 
Darc said:
Yes..I keep hearing conflicting information. Some say the flash hider counts towards oal of the firearm.
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For many years any attachment to a rifle barrel, no matter how it is attached is not taken into consideration when measuring length.

It all started many years ago when 30 M1 carbine barrels were having attachments to the barrel to take them over 18.5 inches and out of the restricted class. The RCMP were pissed about that (as the upper RCMP have always been anti gun) and got changes made where a rifle barrel is measured to the end of the rifling. Period. End of story... here in Canada. Forget about what's what in other countries.
 
guntech said:
For many years any attachment to a rifle barrel, no matter how it is attached is not taken into consideration when measuring length.

It all started many years ago when 30 M1 carbine barrels were having attachments to the barrel to take them over 18.5 inches and out of the restricted class. The RCMP were pissed about that (as the upper RCMP have always been anti gun) and got changes made where a rifle barrel is measured to the end of the rifling. Period. End of story... here in Canada. Forget about what's what in other countries.
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That is correct for measuring Barrel length (end of rifling to chamber) but Overall Length must mean everything taken into account. Otherwise why would buttpads/spacers count?

I think this might be better served in the Legalese forum, but my position is this:

If in its shortest fireable state the 10/22 measures over 660 mm it is legally a non-restricted firearm, (unless you did a prohibited act like cutting barrels or stocks below length). It would be up to the Crown to prove that Overall must mean not including components permanently attached to the 10/22. When by the dictionary definition overall means everything is included (and not a little note saying except muzzle devices)
 
guntech said:
For many years any attachment to a rifle barrel, no matter how it is attached is not taken into consideration when measuring length.

It all started many years ago when 30 M1 carbine barrels were having attachments to the barrel to take them over 18.5 inches and out of the restricted class. The RCMP were pissed about that (as the upper RCMP have always been anti gun) and got changes made where a rifle barrel is measured to the end of the rifling. Period. End of story... here in Canada. Forget about what's what in other countries.
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By this definition all AR-180B rifles are Restricted because they only have 18 inches of riffled barrel. The last inch is an integral muzzle brake.
 
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