10/22 problem

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I've had this 10/22 for a few years now, and have been relatively happy with it for gophers, offhand mostly. But, I just went out to the range and can't get a decent group at 50 yards, or even 25. Right out of the box I had the trigger components replaced, butler creek composite stock, butler creek fake carbon fibre barrel, and Simmons .22mag scope. I know, I know, the barrel is crap, right? But, my question is, if I change the barrel, will my groups improve a lot? Also, I've always hated the Simmons 3-9 .22mag scope, what do you guys suggest for a decent alternative. (I have a Mueller on my .17 and it seems great so far, but I'm looking for suggestions).:confused:
 
I would double check the scope and make sure that the base is on properly and tight and then check the rings. If everything is good, I would do what tonyg mentioned.
 
Buy a bolt gun!

First off, if your happy with the hunting performance, do nothing.

Now, if you want to accurize, swap off barrels. Put on the original barrel, or get yourself a better unit. There's a ton of them, just pick one that will work for you. Replace that stock with somthing more rigid. A laminate from Boyds is a good choice. Or, if you want to keep your stock, that's fine. But try this. Make sure your barrel is floated with no contact points. Also make sure your anchor screws are snug. Ditto for the barrel lock screws. Take off your scope mount and apply a bit of blue loc-tite to the screws. reinstall the base and rings. Get yourself a better quality scope. Only you know how much you can afford, but figure on about $150 for a good Bushnell for your rifle. Also look into ordering a bolt buffer. The 10/22's are hard on scopes, and this little investment could save you a lot of headaches. Bear in mind, they were never designed to be a hot rod like guys are making them. But if you use the right stuff, it will shoot good. Remember too, your choice of ammo matters in terms of accuracy. Try them all, and stick with what works till your happy. Or, buy a bolt gun. :D
 
Check to make sure your action has not worked loose in the stock. Those plastic stocks sometimes break down where the action screw is and the action starts to move around quite a bit. Bedding my Choate folder tightened up my groups by more than an inch.
Before you give up on your scope make sure it is mounted securely, check for any evidence the rail or rings are moving.

Try swapping componenets one at a time till you see what is causing your problem. Swap back the original barrel. Use the original stock. Mount your mueller.
 
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With any .22 cal. semi what you want to do first is try different brands of ammo. I have a ruger 10/22 semi and the first thing I did was bought one box of about 10 different types of factory ammo. everything from poorboy winchester wildcat to eley target ammo. Too my surprise the cheep stuff worked as good or better than the expensive target ammo. My 10/22 ruger hates Federal ammo (jams). But in another .22 rifle the federal round may be the kick ass answer.
 
As mentioned already, verify that it's not your scope, base, or rings. Since you replaced the barrel, second thing I'd check is screws on the V-block to ensure they are tight and haven't worked themselves loose. Just my 2-cents.
 
brother1 said:
I just went out to the range and can't get a decent group at 50 yards, or even 25. Right out of the box I had the trigger components replaced, butler creek composite stock, butler creek fake carbon fibre barrel
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I can bet that is your Problem right there ,Change that Barrel. The factory barrel will give you better groups . I have built over 20 10/22's in the past and have always have had good luck with Clerke Int. Barrels and green mountain Barrels.
Inexpencive gofer getter ? VQ hammer, houge Overmolded stock and a quality barrel and you are set .
 
+4 on swaping the barrel. The Butler Creek Carbon fibre is notorious for poor accuracy. They are either perfect, or crap and the ratio apprears to be 50:50.

Second, loose the factory scope mount and replace it with a ridged Power Custom mount and a good set of Burris Sig Zee rings.
 
I've checked the gun over again, the action is tight in the stock, the screws on the v-block are tight too. If I grab the end of my barrel, and hold my stock I can move the barrel back and forth quite a bit (but it isn't moving in the stock) it's just really flexible. That can't be good, right? I took my dremel and removed all the excess stock material along the sides of the barrel, wherever it was touching, and it is pretty much free floated. I am going to go look for a different barrel, I have several scopes that I can try, but I just have lost confidence in that barrel.
 
If your barrel is that flexable, I think you have located the problem. I have heard that the BC carbon fiber barrels are actually plastic and when they get warm they loose all accuracy.

Get a new barrel so you can have fun with your 10/22.
 
brother1 said:
If I grab the end of my barrel, and hold my stock I can move the barrel back and forth quite a bit (but it isn't moving in the stock) it's just really flexible. That can't be good, right?
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That would be your problem, no it's not good. Replace the barrel with either the original, or get a new barrel. All the mods in the world won't do you any good if your point of impact bounces all over the place.
 
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So, I bought a green mountain fluted bull barrel from rimfire sports, I put a VQ edge extractor in (from Bullseye)-for some ejection issues, and I also changed out my simmons 22mag scope for a cheapo tasco. At 50 yds, 15 shots are all touching, this is waaaay better. I'm not happy with the scope, but it is better than the simmons (I never liked it). So, I went out for gophers, and the only one that is still walking was about 150yds out, and it was pretty windy! I've got a new .17 savage for those extra long shots, but the Ruger is just sooo much fun to shoot!!:D
 
skeetgunner said:
Sweet. Now you need to find a big selection of ammo and see what it really likes best.
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Are you kidding, I'm shooting the best right now! American Eagle, it costs me about $1.25 a box! lol
Yeah, I've been wanting to experiment with a few different types, I'll have to drop into P&D and pick up a few boxes, I'm sure this thing will shoot the thumbtacks right off of my target at 50 yds!
:D
 
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