10 mm in Canada

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Hey Guys,

Any info on where I can buy 10 mm ammo, any of the hot load ones for wilderness carry? buffalo Bore or double tap.

Thanks
 
Factory loaded or the components? Where about are you located? Are the stores in your area not carrying 10mm?

And I'm probably wrong about this, but I thought only if you were a trapper could you apply and receive a wilderness carry for a restricted. I'm sure someone will (hopefully) correct me.
 
You won't find any of that type of ammo for sale in Canada as it has not been submitted for approval with nrcan. Your only hope of shooting the good stuff is to load it yourself or have someone do it for you. I have chronied all factory 10mm ammo available in Canada and it is all pretty anemic compared to my loads.
 
Melnibonean said:
Factory loaded or the components? Where about are you located? Are the stores in your area not carrying 10mm?

And I'm probably wrong about this, but I thought only if you were a trapper could you apply and receive a wilderness carry for a restricted. I'm sure someone will (hopefully) correct me.
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Nope... other professions can apply.
 
Found 180gr AE at P&D, haven't shot them yet but I hear they are very slow compared to what it could be.


Loaded 200gr XTP's with Bluedot, should be hot enough for me. Components are easy to find.
 
B said:
You won't find any of that type of ammo for sale in Canada as it has not been submitted for approval with nrcan. Your only hope of shooting the good stuff is to load it yourself or have someone do it for you. I have chronied all factory 10mm ammo available in Canada and it is all pretty anemic compared to my loads.
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So a few boxes couldn't be put in on an order by a shop? By request.....
 
there was a thread on here from BC a few years back where the CFO was diss allowing semi auto's for wilderness carry, on the logic that they where not "powerfull" enough. I remember the OP at the time was pissed as he wanted to carry a glock in 10mm. Might want to check up before investing ?

Good luck!
 
Actually BC was one of the first to allow it.

In Reality, a 9 mm of modern design and good manufacturer provides ballistic data providing evidence supporting a 9 mm being sufficient for wilderness carry. Law enforcement community has become ignorant of basic laws of physics. You need penetration, not expansion, and good shot placement. I originally wanted a 10 mm, but due to lack of Buffalo Bore rounds or Double tap makes it useless. AE 10 mm is no better then 9 mm rounds. If I was a CFO I would most likely question the 10 mm myself if I was operating with the assumptions CFOs operate.

It will be hard for the CFO to denny my request if I provide my data to support my evidence. If he wishes to deny, I have all winter to play game. In reality you can not apply unless you have the firearm in your possession. I also have a .357 Mag Chiappa Rhino and I will do ballistic testing to disprove or prove that big caliber revolvers are not more effective. Problem with 10 mm is total lack of good ammunition unless you hand load. A CFO will not approve a firearm that you must hand load. The caliber must be accessible within reason for the indented purpose.

The argument of .45 ACP being a better stopper is total bull s**t. I actually will do a comparison of all calibers for purpose of wilderness carry this winter. It seems like CFOs in my opinion are operating on gut feeling, and not on any solid data.

Hot 9 mm rounds are as good as any bigger ones. Since penetration is key for Black Bears, I do not understand how a 45 acp or any other slow moving round in comparison helps with penetration. 45 ACP might be good for humans that do not need penetration, but expansion.

The entire myth of knock down power is a myth. The shooter would need to be knocked down himself for the round to ever have power to knock the target of same size down. If your shooting 600 nitro, sure that will work, Maybe a 500 magnum. In reality, I read tones of articles about black bears being taken down with .38 Specials.

Well see, maybe I am wrong, and I will just use the Chiappa Rhino.

My quest for the perfect wilderness carry firearm continues! It makes it even harder for me, as my criteria for a pilot are different then lets say a prospector that can carry a full size pistol or revolver or even a shot gun. I heard of native trappers using .22 LR to shot black bears with well placed shot in the head.

For me it has to be:

Small
Light
Controllable
Approved by CFO

Cheers
 
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trekstor said:
Actually BC was one of the first to allow it.

In Reality, a 9 mm of modern design and good manufacturer provides ballistic data providing evidence supporting a 9 mm being sufficient for wilderness carry. Law enforcement community has become ignorant of basic laws of physics. You need penetration, not expansion, and good shot placement. I originally wanted a 10 mm, but due to lack of Buffalo Bore rounds or Double tap makes it useless. AE 10 mm is no better then 9 mm rounds. If I was a CFO I would most likely question the 10 mm myself if I was operating with the assumptions CFOs operate.

It will be hard for the CFO to denny my request if I provide my data to support my evidence. If he wishes to deny, I have all winter to play game. In reality you can not apply unless you have the firearm in your possession. I also have a .357 Mag Chiappa Rhino and I will do ballistic testing to disprove or prove that big caliber revolvers are not more effective. Problem with 10 mm is total lack of good ammunition unless you hand load. A CFO will not approve a firearm that you must hand load. The caliber must be accessible within reason for the indented purpose.

The argument of .45 ACP being a better stopper is total bull s**t. I actually will do a comparison of all calibers for purpose of wilderness carry this winter. It seems like CFOs in my opinion are operating on gut feeling, and not on any solid data.

Hot 9 mm rounds are as good as any bigger ones. Since penetration is key for Black Bears, I do not understand how a 45 acp or any other slow moving round in comparison helps with penetration. 45 ACP might be good for humans that do not need penetration, but expansion.

The entire myth of knock down power is a myth. The shooter would need to be knocked down himself for the round to ever have power to knock the target of same size down. If your shooting 600 nitro, sure that will work, Maybe a 500 magnum. In reality, I read tones of articles about black bears being taken down with .38 Specials.

Well see, maybe I am wrong, and I will just use the Chiappa Rhino.

My quest for the perfect wilderness carry firearm continues! It makes it even harder for me, as my criteria for a pilot are different then lets say a prospector that can carry a full size pistol or revolver or even a shot gun. I heard of native trappers using .22 LR to shot black bears with well placed shot in the head.

For me it has to be:

Small
Light
Controllable
Approved by CFO

Cheers
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Actually there is a company that had ballistic gel tests on their website. I'll see if I can find it and post it. But these tests showed the .45 acp had simular wound channels and less penetration than the 9mm +p. The .40s&w actually produced much higher penetration and wound channels then either. The .45 has such a low muzzle velocity that the energy isn't as high (although I'm sure you could hand load much higher velocity rounds these were factory loads). I don't think they had 10mm though. These were all soft tipped duty rounds.

I also know of a leo that put down a cougar, that was stalking him, with his duty 9mm and they are probably Going to be your biggest issue.
 
i shot american eagle 10 mm 180 grain fmj...sloooo, 1080 fps stock...then i shot 1991 circa american eagle 10mm 180 grain lead truncated cone, sloooooo.....shot remington 180 grain fmj new production...much hotter round... could not find my brass for the life of me...to gain a full advantage of the 10 mm you either have to grab stuff south of the border or make your own...I have to say tho, try hickok45 with his 10 mm..he shot some 200 grain buffalo bore thru his glock, and it was unnacurate as hell in the stock glock... when he changed the barells to a traditional rifled one, he got MUCH better results
 
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