10 Round mag limit for Handguns

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Hello new user here so be gentle, after reading all the FAQ's I could find, I still couldn't get an affirmative answer to my question.

I understand there is a limit for a 10 round magazine when it comes to owning pistols, so 11 shots with one in the mag and one in the tube. However so many guns out there that have peaked my interest for sport shooting and collecting have mags that fire well over ten rounds. Now I guess I'll structure my question in two parts.

Part 1: If the gun I wish to buy has a 17 round mag or a 10 round mag can I still get that particular gun with the 10 round mag even though theoretically I could illegally obtained the larger magazine. Basically since the gun has the ability to take a larger mag does that make it prohibited?

Part 2: If there is no such thing as a 10 round mag for the gun I wish to purchase are there any gunsmithing shops out there that see a need for 10 round mags and create them for all types of guns. Or does the 10 round mag have to come straight from the dealer?

Sorry for the noob question I promised I tried my best to find an answer. Thank you all so much for your time.
 
As long as the mag you are using only holds 10 you are good to go.
You can have regular capacity mags ( around 17 or so is pretty common these days for a double stack 9mm) they just need to be "pinned" or blocked so they can only hold 10.

The sad truth is our Govt. trusts rivets more then they trust law abiding and licensed citizens.
 
Mags don't make a gun prohibited or illegal. Mags are mags and nothing more.

If the manufacturer doesn't make 10 round mags, ie, they only have their standard capacity of say 17 rounds, there are legal ways of neutering them mags to 10 rounds so they can be brought into Canada.

Ie, A lot of mags get riveted or altered by other means so they only hold 10 rounds. Standard capacity (17 rounds) mags need to be altered before coming into canada.


It might be easier to just tell us what gun you are considering buying. Many come with 10 round mag options since some states have similar rules.
 
Thanks guys just what I was looking for! That is quite sad that they trust rivets more than us but I guess the silver lining is that there is a work around.

The pistol I am looking for if I can find it is the FNS-9 made by FN Herstal chambered in 9mm. Striker fired and from what I read an amazing trigger. However I need to do more research to see if this gun is even available in Canada.
 
nuffwynn said:
Thanks guys just what I was looking for! That is quite sad that they trust rivets more than us but I guess the silver lining is that there is a work around.

The pistol I am looking for if I can find it is the FNS-9 made by FN Herstal chambered in 9mm. Striker fired and from what I read an amazing trigger. However I need to do more research to see if this gun is even available in Canada.
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I think there might be one in the EE right now.

Not sure about the FNS, but the FNX-9 I don't think will come in. Barrel is too short.
 
Sorry what does EE mean?

Also barrel length on the FNS-9 is 103mm or 4 inches. Shoots a 9mmx19mm nato round, overall length of 7.2 inches and 5.46 inches high. I'll have to look up the specs for guns to be allowed into Canada but I think the barrel just can't be shorter then 4 inches? I'm not sure I'll have to check.

But ya it holds 18 rounds, 17 in the mag and one in the chamber. I don't know if they make a 10 round mag but if it can just be pinned off at 10 rounds that would be sweet.

Not sure of the weight of the gun as it's a pistol and the official FNH website says it weights 25 pounds :p
www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=282&backPID=263&productID=172&pid_product=295&pidList=&categorySelector=&detail=&cHash=
 
nuffwynn said:
Sorry what does EE mean?

Also barrel length on the FNS-9 is 103mm or 4 inches. Shoots a 9mmx19mm nato round, overall length of 7.2 inches and 5.46 inches high. I'll have to look up the specs for guns to be allowed into Canada but I think the barrel just can't be shorter then 4 inches? I'm not sure I'll have to check.

But ya it holds 18 rounds, 17 in the mag and one in the chamber. I don't know if they make a 10 round mag but if it can just be pinned off at 10 rounds that would be sweet.

Not sure of the weight of the gun as it's a pistol and the official FNH website says it weights 25 pounds :p
www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=282&backPID=263&productID=172&pid_product=295&pidList=&categorySelector=&detail=&cHash=
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welcome to the arms world. That FNS-9 looks awesome, I'm a big FN fan myself. Unfortunately, we need to ask Questar if they will be importing any of these. The barrels would have to be replaced with the 105mm barrel before we could touch them.

It took a LONG time just to get the FNP9's into Canada, I cannot imagine how much longer it would take to get these FNS 9s.

Striker fire FN handgun.... awesome. ohhhhhh Queeeeeestar, where are youuuuuu?
 
nuffwynn said:
Hello new user here so be gentle, after reading all the FAQ's I could find, I still couldn't get an affirmative answer to my question.

I understand there is a limit for a 10 round magazine when it comes to owning pistols, so 11 shots with one in the mag and one in the tube. However so many guns out there that have peaked my interest for sport shooting and collecting have mags that fire well over ten rounds. Now I guess I'll structure my question in two parts.

Part 1: If the gun I wish to buy has a 17 round mag or a 10 round mag can I still get that particular gun with the 10 round mag even though theoretically I could illegally obtained the larger magazine. Basically since the gun has the ability to take a larger mag does that make it prohibited?

Part 2: If there is no such thing as a 10 round mag for the gun I wish to purchase are there any gunsmithing shops out there that see a need for 10 round mags and create them for all types of guns. Or does the 10 round mag have to come straight from the dealer?

Sorry for the noob question I promised I tried my best to find an answer. Thank you all so much for your time.
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Now i have a question for you. You don’t have a restricted license right?
You can’t sleep thru the course and not know this.
 
sigboy said:
Now i have a question for you. You don’t have a restricted license right?
You can’t sleep thru the course and not know this.
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Sure you can. We didn't talk about mag caps for more than 5 or 10 minutes in the course. Not much to talk about. It wasn't until I owned one that I found out there's no cap for bolt guns, and that was only when I went to buy a second mag for my 223 Tikka. Yep, I have restricted too.

Nuffwynn;

EE = Equipment Exchange, which is the 'For Sale' forums of CGN. There are some great deals there on used stuff, and some not-so-great deals so check prices before you commit.

If you can buy the pistol in Canada, there will be 'neutered' (pinned/blocked) magazines available for it.

If there's a special gun you really want you can talk to some of the retailers that sponsor here and see who can get what for you. It must have a minimum 106mm barrel on it (so your FNS-9 would need a gunsmith + custom barrel). I do know there's been guns rebarrelled to qualify as restricted (instead of prohibited) so it can be done.
 
You could sleep through the either course and not know that, your sleeping :rolleyes:

With or without the course though pointing at people should be a known no-no but that's done too.

I'm guessing he's curious but hasn't started the courses yet, I'm under 30 posts but have been on here for a few months reading everything I could, like these types of threads, so I'd be ready when its time to put my brain to work & money on the table.
I had a few questions the instructor never thought of, or things he was unsure of. They're all things I'd never seen asked or a true answer given so he was my best bet to find out. Some don't even apply to me, I asked him a wuestion about motorcycles and carrying but I don't own a bike...

You can learn a lot on this site, and the more questions that are asked the better (not the moss vs remmy types) it helps everyone.
 
I have a question for you. If you get caught with a magazine that carries more then 10 rounds what is the Ontario ruling for fine or jail time?
 
Jamis Bicycles said:
I have a question for you. If you get caught with a magazine that carries more then 10 rounds what is the Ontario ruling for fine or jail time?
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Upto 5 years in prison. There is no difference by province, its a federal offense.

Unauthorized possession of firearm
91. (1) Subject to subsection (4), every person commits an offence who possesses a firearm without being the holder of

(a) a licence under which the person may possess it; and
(b) in the case of a prohibited firearm or a restricted firearm, a registration certificate for it.

Unauthorized possession of prohibited weapon or restricted weapon
(2) Subject to subsection (4), every person commits an offence who possesses a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, other than a replica firearm, or any prohibited ammunition, without being the holder of a licence under which the person may possess it.

Punishment
(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-43.html#docCont

Shawn
 
Dude!!!! a "work around..." , if it means what I think it does, would require that you carry a toothbrush with you at all times, in case the Warden is low on supplies when you arrive at the correctional institution.
 
Keep in mind, there is no limit to the capacity of the gun. Only the magazine.

It's a common misconception that semi-automatic centerfire rifles are limited to five round and pistols are limited to 10 rounds. However, this is not the case.

ONLY the magazine is limited to the appropriate quantity and type of ammunition that it was designed for, and the type of firearm that it was designed for (rifle or pistol).

There are two classifications for a magazine. Prohibited, or unregulated. Unregulated means that the magazine has met the requirements of the law, and is legal for possession in Canada (by anyone, no license required, it's unregulated). The other possibility is "prohibited," which means that basically almost nobody can be in possession of the magazine, with some rare exceptions. Your chances of getting a license to possess prohibited devices is next to zero.

The upshot of all this is that once you come into possession of an unregulated magazine, which will generally hold five rounds for a semi-auto rifle, and 10 rounds for a semi-auto pistol, you can do whatever you want with it! It's legal for you to possess it, use it as a door-stop, paper-weight, put it in a pistol, put it in a rifle, cram the WRONG type of ammunition into it (and this might mean it holds more rounds, but that's okay), give it to your cat as a play-thing, etc. You get the picture. An unregulated device is exactly what it sounds like, unregulated.

You can take a 10 round pistol magazine, designed to hold 10 rounds of .40 S&W, put 13 rounds of 9mm in it, and if it fits in a gun (rifle or pistol) that will feed 9mm from it, you haven't broken the law. The magazine only holds 10 rounds of the ammunition for which it was designed. It doesn't matter what you actually put in it.

So, for example, you can take a Beretta 92A1 (9mm), and buy magazines for a Beretta 96A1 (.40S&W), and I believe they hold 13 or 14 rounds of 9mm, and still work in the 92A1. There are many other such examples. The thing to remember is, if the magazine is unregulated, you can possess it, and do whatever you like with it. There is no law saying you may not cram the wrong thing in it.
 
The magazine just has to be permently modified to have no more then the premited amount via, Glue, Weld, Rivit or other permant method.
 
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