1000 yard calibers.

Recoil sensitivity is always an issue hence the popularity of the ligher cals.... 6.5x284 etc......the elderly or like elderly know all about this... (kidding of course)!

The 6mm XC is pushing a good balance and should be a one of the best alround cartridges especially once the 115gr 6mm is perfected.

The 6.5x47 really needs more track time and in my opinion is a bit shy of what it takes to make a mark.

If your starting out or having a hard time spending time at the range, pick a popular cartridge with inexpensive components. Once you burned through 1 or 2 barrels (maybe 3) you might be ready for the speciality custom cartridges.

Always pic good components. Lapua (which we supply:rolleyes: along with Nosler custom and Norma) is a good start......
 
quote:"A friend shooter owns a Blaser R93 LRS2 in 6mmBR and it's the smoothest rifle I ever tried. It has a 5 rds center feed detach. mag. system as you described. Gun is scoped with a NF 8-32 NXS. He's pushing the 105 Amax at 2830 fps. We were trying it at 560 yds the other day and with this low recoil set-up we could see the bullets hitting the white target. It is very accurate but not a n F-Class rig (obviously)"

Sniper767, if I were you I would not jugde the little 6BR to fast:rolleyes: you might have a little suprise at the next PQRA match:D :p
 
1000 yard calibers

Arrowhead:

don't get me wrong. here's my definition of an F-class rifle:
single shot accurate long range rifle, unlimited weight (practicaly), no muzzle brake permitted.
The Blaser is a sniper long range rifle. The 6mm BR is extremely accurate as I saw today. We shot at targets from 350-560 yds and I got my bu.. kicked to heavens. Of course I wasn't the one with the Blaser ...:(

Sniper767
 
sniper767 said:
Arrowhead:

don't get me wrong. here's my definition of an F-class rifle:
single shot accurate long range rifle, unlimited weight (practicaly), no muzzle brake permitted.
The Blaser is a sniper long range rifle. The 6mm BR is extremely accurate as I saw today. We shot at targets from 350-560 yds and I got my bu.. kicked to heavens. Of course I wasn't the one with the Blaser ...:(

Sniper767
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Hahaha, 6mm BR doesn't compete in F Class, it OWNS many F Class matches bud. :D Not kidding.
 
www.6mmBR.com to see what this little guy can do.

It can do alot.

At the Frozen Farky in Kamloops last Sept, a very good shooter and a 6BR shot a 750-65X out of a possible 750-75X for the highest score of the match. 300m F class.

I dropped a point and a few X's with my 6.5 Mystic. No 308 was even close.

Jerry
 
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ok, did I put my foot in my mouth again???...

What I meant is that the Blaser R93 in 6mmBR is not an F-class Rig. Now that statement is true. I don't deny the 6mmBR cal. is of F-class capabilities. Check my original post. I was talking about the Blazer R93 in 6mm BR.

Have a look at this pic and tell me if this is an F-class "legal" rig.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q149/sniper3870/P1070232.jpg

Sniper767, over!
 
Take off the brake and it is. It should be able to compete with most rifles on the line or someone has wasted a lot of money! Regards, Bill.
 
sniper767 said:
Arrowhead:

don't get me wrong. here's my definition of an F-class rifle:
single shot accurate long range rifle, unlimited weight (practicaly), no muzzle brake permitted.
The Blaser is a sniper long range rifle. The 6mm BR is extremely accurate as I saw today. We shot at targets from 350-560 yds and I got my bu.. kicked to heavens. Of course I wasn't the one with the Blaser ...:(

Sniper767
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Sniper767, I agree with you that the LRS2 is far away from what an F-class should look like, but who care what it looks like!:p last time I check the goal of the game was to put the bullet in the middle of the target and it does the job quite well:D

As for the 6mmBR not being a competitive round for 1000 yards, all that I can say is, if my 13 years of competitive 3D archery as tought me something it's that speed is nothing without accuracy;) :)
 
That is a very nice looking rifle and for F(TR), it DOES look like many rifles when you account for all the adjustable combs and buttplates. I like the foreend too :).

Just ditch the muzzle brake and add more weight. 18lbs for F(F/TR) or 22lbs for F(O). Personally, that rig in 308 or 223 would be awesome off the bipod. Just way more money then needed.

Jerry
 
Now for the stupid question of the thread......................!
How come one hears of 10 different cartridges including the 243 win., 250 case necked to 6mm, etc. and not one mention of a 6mm Rem.? I bought one for the sole purpose of shooting 1000 yards at Burns Lake next spring. It sends a 105 gr. Amax out at 2925fps and easily shoots .250 to .320 " groups @ 100mtrs with no signs of pressure at all.
Did I miss something important that everyone else hasn't?
 
Target shooters tend to focus on the minimalist side of things. There is nothing wrong with the 6rem or 6-284. Just bigger in case volume then needed.

Especially in F class, where you are shooting alot each relay, I prefer to burn as little powder as possible to reduce barrel heat. However, I don't want to give up performance. The solution is finding the smallest case that can burn a suitable powder at elevated pressures. It works.

The 6Rem has lots of case capacity so that you can run at standard pressures and still push a bullet with adequate performance. Does this mean higher throat wear or lower? more velocity stringing at long range due to inconsistent ignition/lower load density? No Lapua brass but you can make it? or just not fashionable?

Just like the 308 gets lots of attention but the 30-06 is hardly heard of. The 6.5-284 is heralded as the best thing since sliced bread yet the 6.5-06 is a pariah. Fact or fiction, the 6rem is not vogue. However, the long neck should win some brownie points.

Now someone comes out with 120 to 128gr VLD bullets and you take that extra case capacity to push these to 3000fps. You gotta winner....

Shoot it, enjoy it, win with it. Maybe you will turn as many heads with that as my non custom match rifles.

Ever thought of seeing how fast you can make that Rem sing? I bet you can push those 105's to 3200fps without breaking a sweat, at least at BR pressures.

Jerry
 
RockChucker said:
Now for the stupid question of the thread......................!
How come one hears of 10 different cartridges including the 243 win., 250 case necked to 6mm, etc. and not one mention of a 6mm Rem.? I bought one for the sole purpose of shooting 1000 yards at Burns Lake next spring. It sends a 105 gr. Amax out at 2925fps and easily shoots .250 to .320 " groups @ 100mtrs with no signs of pressure at all.
Did I miss something important that everyone else hasn't?
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You didn't miss a thing. It's just everyone likes to create their own thing and make claims that it's somehow that much better than a factory offering.

Case in point. .260 Ackley Improved = 6.5x55 Swede. You can better brass like Lapua for the Swede. You can always improve the Swede case and can even get slightly better ballistics. It goes on and on...

It will never completely satisfy anyone until the next dream cartidge pops up. ;)
 
Hey guys,

I have read thought the posting on this site and, wow, am I confused!

I don't know much (if anything) about all these custom rifles. I AM interested in getting into long range shooting (200M +, maybe even 1000 someday) but right now I can't go out and drop 3000-5000 on a custom piece.

So, this may sound like absolute blasphemy to some of you, whats a good out-of-the-box rifle to get a newbie started? something you can build on?

I own a browning BLR 308 right now and a few other plinkers, but I was thinking of getting a Thompson Contenter encore, maybe in a 7mm or something, to start. And then getting a new barrel for it - just an idea.

(see http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek055.html)

I hear alot about these custom casings, etc, and it all sounds $$$$$$$$ to me, perhaps I am wrong.
 
I go for a HB Savage either in a fast twist 223 or 243. The 223 is way cheaper and easier on the shoulder.

Both will do well as far as you want to go. The 243 has a ballistics advantage beyond 500yds but you will likely not get there for a bit.

The Savage is modular so you can change from what you have now to what you want later.

Jerry
 
277 is a excellent theoretical choice but apparently there are no quality jackets available.

Joe
 
I like the .270 personally, but like the .250 it fits in between other great calibres and really never took off as a 1000yds cartridge. Time may change that if somebody starts winning everything in sight with it. Sierra makes some match bullets for it.

Just get a guy like David Tubbs to start shooting it and telling everyone it's the best thing since sliced bread and you have a winner.
 
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