1000yards what groups????????
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Mystic Precision
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Tactical rifle - MOA or better
BR rifle to be competitive - 1/3MOA or better.
Good accurate BR style/LR hunting - 3/4 to 1/2 MOA.
Jerry
BR rifle to be competitive - 1/3MOA or better.
Good accurate BR style/LR hunting - 3/4 to 1/2 MOA.
Jerry
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
Just to clarify, for those who are un familiar, this does not mean that your gonna shoot a 1/2 inch group at 1000 meters
Frank
Frank
Mystic Precision
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1 MOA is approx 1" per 100yds so 1000yds is approx 10"
This is assumed to be repeatable accuracy not one hero group. Of course, many rifles can and will shoot better then my 'specs', however many shooters can't.
The better the ballistics of the bullet/cartridge used, the 'easier' it is to shoot accurately. Wind is the biggest enemy at distance.
Jerry
This is assumed to be repeatable accuracy not one hero group. Of course, many rifles can and will shoot better then my 'specs', however many shooters can't.
The better the ballistics of the bullet/cartridge used, the 'easier' it is to shoot accurately. Wind is the biggest enemy at distance.
Jerry
well the reason why i am asking I don't know what to do
I want to buy a long range rifle for target work and hunting. I want it to be in 338lapua. I 'm considering a sako trg-42 ,timberwolf (when ever the cfc contract is over) or a custom. Which one would be more accurate?
I'm really confused.
I want to buy a long range rifle for target work and hunting. I want it to be in 338lapua. I 'm considering a sako trg-42 ,timberwolf (when ever the cfc contract is over) or a custom. Which one would be more accurate?
I'm really confused.
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
Bench rest rifle shooting, heavy , not something to pack around
Frank
Frank
Ardent
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viper said:
OK, first things first, you need to cut your teeth on .22LR with some long shooting, then step to .308, then maybe .338 Lapua time. This is only my opinion, but you will be a far better shooter for it. Also realize the $ we're talking with a $7500 PGW .338, $2000-$3000 scope, and $3-$5 a pop ammunition, plus all the other doo dads you're well over $10,000. Great fun when you're ready, but since you are not familiar with the MOA concept yet I'd suggest starting farther down the tree. Think of the experience and number of rifles you could have for that kinda money. I hope I've said this without being too much of a wet blanket...
Just honest advice.Thanks for the info guys
the only cals I have for rifles are 243 and 300wsm.
I understand what you mean by starting out slow buy to be honest I don't want to. The whey I look at it is why buy a more rifles and have to buy the one you want later. I don't mind spending the cash now.
the only cals I have for rifles are 243 and 300wsm.
I understand what you mean by starting out slow buy to be honest I don't want to. The whey I look at it is why buy a more rifles and have to buy the one you want later. I don't mind spending the cash now.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
This one has shot many 6" or better groups at 1,000 meters, but it is not a BR,
"F" class, or tactical rifle, it's just a wildcat made for having fun at any distance, and for shooting deer at extended ranges.
Cat
"F" class, or tactical rifle, it's just a wildcat made for having fun at any distance, and for shooting deer at extended ranges.
Cat
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
So why did you not show off that beautiful wood on that Browning, can kinda see that its nice.
Frank
Frank
Mystic Precision
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How far have you shot to date? how far, REALISTICALLY, do you plan on shooting/hunting? Do you reload? have you explored heavy for cal bullets in the rifles you already have? What type of accuracy will your rifles shoot now? have they been tuned?
I sense that you are judging your future rifles from articles in the mags. first off, the 338 Lapua is not an ideal LR cartridge compared to what is available today.
Yes, the military uses, kind of, it but they also use the 308. I think you should look at the many posts here and at www.longrangehunting.com and on the Lilja website.
Before spending your money, you need to learn alot more about your options and what is involved in Long Range shooting. I bet that your need for a Lapua will change quickly as will your rifle choices.
Oh by the way, an accurate 300WSM can be used effectively out past 700yds for LR hunting. Easily 1000m for target shooting. Just go chat with Long Range Canuck. A 243 to 400yds on deer sized game and 1000m for target shooting. Far enough??????
Jerry
I sense that you are judging your future rifles from articles in the mags. first off, the 338 Lapua is not an ideal LR cartridge compared to what is available today.
Yes, the military uses, kind of, it but they also use the 308. I think you should look at the many posts here and at www.longrangehunting.com and on the Lilja website.
Before spending your money, you need to learn alot more about your options and what is involved in Long Range shooting. I bet that your need for a Lapua will change quickly as will your rifle choices.
Oh by the way, an accurate 300WSM can be used effectively out past 700yds for LR hunting. Easily 1000m for target shooting. Just go chat with Long Range Canuck. A 243 to 400yds on deer sized game and 1000m for target shooting. Far enough??????
Jerry
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Ardent
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catnthehatt said:This one has shot many 6" or better groups at 1,000 meters, but it is not a BR,
"F" class, or tactical rifle, it's just a wildcat made for having fun at any distance, and for shooting deer at extended ranges.
Cat
Please do tell more about the specifics of your wildcat cartridge... My curiousity has been tweaked...
Ardent
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viper said:
If you got the $ to spend all the more power to you, but just don't turn out to be one of the yahoos I run into once in awhile with a $10,000 rig and no knowledge of wind doping, dialing in range, or any concept of long range shooting really. It's rather embarassing for them and no matter how much $ they've spent they don't really end up enjoying the sport...
I have a TRG 42 in .338 Lapua that shoots 5/8"-3/4" groups @ 300m which is in my opinion very accurate, now this isn't to say that it will shoot 3" groups @ 1000 becauce that just isn't the case. I haven't shot 1000 yards yet so I personally can't coment but I know a couple of guys that have TRGs in the same calibre that are shooting honest 6-10" groups @ 1000 yards.
I would tend to lean on the side of the boys recommending a good .308 and LOTS of practice, I know I certainly need more of it. There is just no substitute to having lots of range time and to benefit from range time you need a good accurate rifle that doesn't go through barrels like it does brass and that you can shoot 100 or so rounds in a day without going to the hospital to get your shoulder set back in place.
But if you are hell bent on getting a new long distance gun 6.5x284, 7mm, .300 Win Mag and many others may want to get some consideration and in the end is you still decide to get a .338 Lapua it is also a good choice.
Ivo
P.S. If you do decide to get a .338 Lapua try to get something in a 1-10 twist so that you can take better advantage of the Sierra Matchkings 300 grain bullets, they've got a ballistic coefficient of .763 or somethjing crazy like that.
I would tend to lean on the side of the boys recommending a good .308 and LOTS of practice, I know I certainly need more of it. There is just no substitute to having lots of range time and to benefit from range time you need a good accurate rifle that doesn't go through barrels like it does brass and that you can shoot 100 or so rounds in a day without going to the hospital to get your shoulder set back in place.
But if you are hell bent on getting a new long distance gun 6.5x284, 7mm, .300 Win Mag and many others may want to get some consideration and in the end is you still decide to get a .338 Lapua it is also a good choice.
Ivo
P.S. If you do decide to get a .338 Lapua try to get something in a 1-10 twist so that you can take better advantage of the Sierra Matchkings 300 grain bullets, they've got a ballistic coefficient of .763 or somethjing crazy like that.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
It's a 6.5WSM, standard length neck, but a little tighter neck.Ardent said:
It was originally chambered to take a 130 Barnes at 3.00" OAL, but the bullets that shoot best at 1,000 are match bullets of course, 139 Scenars and 140 Match kings.
I have two, one a 28" barrel, and one a 30" barrel that Old Badger had made at the same time and lost interest in.
The 28" , BTW, after 1,500 rounds, was still shooting .5MOA at 100, but the bullet would fall out of the casse before we could fing the leade!
Both barrels are gain twist Smiths.
Gunsmithing by Range Sports Unlimited.
Cat
Depending on the main function of your rifle the timberwolf in 338 lapua is a good choice for long range hunting.On the other hand if your wanting to compete in DCRA matches you won't beable to use the 338.As of your main question of how this rifle shoots at 1000yds or better. Well A friend of mine who has a timberwolf in 338 L shot a 2 1/2" grouping at 800 meters last month at my range.As for past a 1000 meters there are many rifles that can and will shoot well.But you have to remember, the rifle is only as good as the shooter.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
The first time old badger shot his 338 Lapua sporting rifle at 1,000, he had to hold way over the target because he was not using a shimmed scope.
We could hear it hitting, but had a hard time seeing the hits because of the shade.
it turned out he was slightly less than 1MOA, this from a prone shooting position resting on a log!
Cat
We could hear it hitting, but had a hard time seeing the hits because of the shade.
it turned out he was slightly less than 1MOA, this from a prone shooting position resting on a log!
Cat
