12.5" vs 18.5" Barreled 10/22 Velocity test

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When considering a short barreled 10/22 build a month ago or so I was curious as to the effect of the shorter barrels on velocity. Some internet searching of mine ,(and others on CGN) indicated that a 16" barrel is ideal for the most common .22LR. However I was unable to find any definitive answers as to the effect on velocity the shorter barrel had.

I decided to go with a Dlask 12.5" barrel for my build and installed and Arma-Coated it as my last weekends project. Then this Friday my Volquartsen internals arrived. Installed them that night and took it to the range on Saturday along with 15 types of ammo to try and find out what this new rig had an appetite for. Just out of curiosity I brought along a factory stock (but well used) 18.5" barreled 10/22 and my chronograph.


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I recorded the velocities of 15-20 rounds in the 12.5 barrel (these were used to "season" the barrel to the next ammo's bullet lube prior to accuracy testing) and 10 rounds in the 18.5 barrel then plugged the data into Excell when I got home.

Some of the results surprised me.


The 12.5 barreled rig gave higher velocities with every type of ammo that I tested. Ammo shot from the 18.5" barreled rig was from 85% to 98% that of the velocity out of the 12.5" barrel rig. No matter how I plotted it and studied the data I could find no trend as to whether high velocity or subsonic gave closer velocities. My theory prior to testing was that I would have equal (or close-to) velocities with subsonic and standard velocity rounds in the 12.5" barrel but lose some velocity with the high (and hyper) velocity rounds but this was not the case. In every type tested the 12.5" barrel gave higher velocities over the 18.5"


The Standard Deviation was much greater in the 18.5 barreled rig than the 12.5 barreled gun. The longer tube's SD averaged 37.2 FPS while the 12.5's SD averaged 19.8 FPS.

I did not test accuracy in the 18.5 barrel because that was not the scope of my testing. I was testing my 12.5 for accuracy and decided to bring the factory barreled 10/22 along for a velocity comparison.

That being said, with the shorter barrel giving more consistent velocities, in theory it should deliver better accuracy.



Please note that this is a test involving ONE 12.5" barrel and ONE 18.5" barrel so scientifically speaking the data sources are not that objective. However data from a small sample is better than no data at all.





I just thought I would share my test results in case anyone is considering a short barreled 10/22 build. From my testing you gain velocity and (theoretically could) gain accuracy.

And thats not even taking into account how handy and cool a short barreled 10/22 is.


Therefore my conclusion is that the 12.5" barrel is a win win proposition.
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Awesome!

I just installed my Dlask 12.5" tapered barrel yesterday. I was wondering what velocities would be coming out of the shorter barrel. I am indeed surprised. The effects of friction on the loner length must be happening earlier than we thought. Since the 22LR uses a fairly short case and thus a fast burning powder, the powder must have already burned out at 12.5. Maybe testing out a 16" for comparison could have interesting results.
 
Awesome!

I just installed my Dlask 12.5" tapered barrel yesterday. I was wondering what velocities would be coming out of the shorter barrel. I am indeed surprised. The effects of friction on the loner length must be happening earlier than we thought. Since the 22LR uses a fairly short case and thus a fast burning powder, the powder must have already burned out at 12.5. Maybe testing out a 16" for comparison could have interesting results.

Yeah, ideally I would take a long barrel and do a test like the fellas at "Ballistics by the Inch" did, shoot then cut another inch off and shoot again. That would eliminate the variances that occur between barrels, even in the same batch.

Like I said, my test is just one barrel at 12.5" and another at 18.5". A true test would be the same barrel cut down and tested at one inch increments.

But I don't want to go to prison just for greater ballistics knowledge;)
 
was your 18.5" barrel shot much, or at all? perhaps the dlask barrel was lapped better than the ruger. (edit, says well used.)

optimal length for .22LR is supposedly 16", so the 18.5" *should* be losing some there, but if that's true, the 12.5" never reached full potential.

very interesting at any rate.
 
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Well, let me ask the most obvious question here:
How did you inferre (actually do you?) that
the highest velocity equals highest accuracy?

A lot (that is to not say "most") of
lifelong comp shooters say otherwise.
If we are to assume that sometimes the higher velo is
associated with higher gas pressure coming out of the muzzle,
some may say that a lower gas pressure (at the muzzle)
equals greater accuracy.

So, why do you assume higher velo equals higher accuracy?




PS Although you didn't post results, you mention "standard deviation",
and assuming you know how to calculate it,
I'll give you many points for mentioning it.
A smaller st. deviation might indicate results that are more "in control".
therefore (by extent), maybe better accuracy.
 
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Was the 18.5" barrel a factory barrel?

I would expect a custom barrel to give higher and more consistent velocities than a factory barrel in spite of a few inches shorter length. It should also be more accurate. This is why we replace those factory barrels in the first place...
 
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OP, can you post a list of the ammo used and the velocities you measured? Nice to know that the shorty barrels give up nothing to the longer ones. Nice looking 10/22 you have there, what stock did you use?

Mark
 
I was shooting my 11.5" rifle this week. I chrony'd it with Win. T22's at 1025 fps avg over 10 shots and CCI Velocitors at 1261 fps avg for 10 fired. I noticed the extreme spread was almost 90 fps with the T22's and just under 40 for the CCI's.
 
Well, let me ask the most obvious question here:
How did you inferre (actually do you?) that
the highest velocity equals highest accuracy?

A lot (that is to not say "most") of
lifelong comp shooters say otherwise.
If we are to assume that sometimes the higher velo is
associated with higher gas pressure coming out of the muzzle,
some may say that a lower gas pressure (at the muzzle)
equals greater accuracy.

So, why do you assume higher velo equals higher accuracy?




PS Although you didn't post results, you mention "standard deviation",
and assuming you know how to calculate it,
I'll give you many points for mentioning it.
A smaller st. deviation might indicate results that are more "in control".
therefore (by extent), maybe better accuracy.

Yes it is the lower standard deviation observed in the 12.5 barrel that "in theory" would lend to better accuracy. I agree that higher velocity has no effect on accuracy, not sure how much a rimfire is effected by barrel harmonics, but at least in a centerfire finding the barrels "sweet spot" is more important than velocity.

As for calculating the standard deviation, I just let MS Excel do the work for me. I like it better than extreme spread values because extreme spread can be skewed by one or two bad rounds (we know rimfire ammo is prone to this) and because I had a small data pool the skewing would be even more extreme.


I use Excel about once every year so I basically learn it all over again each time but it is fun to see all the functions you can perform at the touch of the mouse.

Still cant get the graphs to work out worth a darn though:mad:


P.S. I will give my actual values in a reply to mmattockx's request
 
OP, can you post a list of the ammo used and the velocities you measured? Nice to know that the shorty barrels give up nothing to the longer ones. Nice looking 10/22 you have there, what stock did you use?

Mark


Okay here is the ammo that I tested and the values I obtained.

Remington 525 Golden Bullet Value Pack
12.5 barrel 1302.5 FPS Standard Deviation of 16.3 FPS
18.5 barrel 1178.8 FPS S.D. 46.7

Remington Viper
12.5 barrel 1360.8 FPS S.D. 27.4 FPS
18.5 barrel 1306.6 FPS S.D. 35.3 FPS

Remington Thunderbolt
12.5 barrel 1288.9 FPS S.D. 14.8 FPS
18.5 barrel 1103.1 FPS S.D. 85.2 FPS

Remington Subsonic
12.5 barrel 1091.2 FPS S.D. 18.6 FPS
18.5 barrel 969.4 FPS S.D. 55 FPS

Remington (ELEY) Target Rifle
12.5 barrel 1086.1 FPS S.D. 14 FPS
18.5 barrel 1047.1 FPS S.D. 14 FPS

Remington Target
12.5 barrel 1147.9 FPS S.D. 15.3 FPS
18.5 barrel 1064.5 FPS S.D. 18.2 FPS

Winchester High Velocity (40 grain lead RN)
12.5 barrel 1226.8 FPS S.D. 14.4 FPS
18.5 barrel 1180.7 FPS S.D. 18.2 FPS

Winchester Hollow Point (37 grain)
12.5 barrel 1323.1 FPS S.D. 30.5 FPS
18.5 barrel 1281.5 FPS S.D. 28.5 FPS

Winchester XPERT HV (36 grain Bulk Pack)
12.5 barrel 1291.5 FPS S.D. 18.2 FPS
18.5 barrel 1264.4 FPS S.D. 21.1 FPS

Winchester 333 (Plated 36 grain Bulk Pack)
12.5 barrel 1300.7 FPS S.D. 21.1 FPS
18.5 barrel 1268.2 FPS S.D. 16.6 FPS

Federal Game Shok (38 Grain plated HP)
12.5 barrel 1266.3 FPS S.D. 17.2 FPS
18.5 barrel 1209.5 FPS S.D. 34.8 FPS

Federal 40 grain solid
12.5 barrel 1286.6 FPS S.D. 13.7 FPS
18.5 barrel 1265.4 FPS S.D. 9.8 FPS

Federal American Eagle (40 grain solid which I suspect is same as above but different package)
12.5 barrel 1276.1 FPS S.D. 19.2 FPS
18.5 barrel 1231.7 FPS S.D. 23.8 FPS

Federal 525 Value Pack (36 Grain plated HP)
12.5 barrel 1254.1 FPS S.D. 21.1 FPS
18.5 barrel 1195.7 FPS S.D. 28.0 FPS

CCI Velocitor
12.5 barrel 1348.3 FPS S.D. 35.4 FPS
18.5 barrel 1177.9 FPS S.D. 86.8 FPS


And there you have it folks.

The most accurate, and consistent, was the Remington (ELEY target rifle) ammo. If I do any target shoots that will be my go to ammo. I now know why Andrew of Canadian Reload Radio prefers ELEY for his silhouette competition.

For a gopher hunting round I think I will go with the Winchester bulk pack offerings, I really like the large hollow point on thier bulk bullets. Hope to anchor the gophers a little bit better.

Some have said that Dlask chambered thier barrels to work best with the bulk ammo choices and I found that my barrel tended to do just that. Decent accuracy with Remington, Federal and Winchester offerings, which is great. What ever is on sale or in stock I will buy and be happy to shoot.






Oh and the stock is the factory plastic one that I modified with some Bondo for a scope friendly cheek piece. I had to remove the smaller barrel band section due to the heavy barrel and some TIG welding and modifying of a cheap NC Star weaver block capped the end nicely. The color and pattern is just brown texture paint and then a mesh laundry bag laid over the brown and sprayed with the left over Arma-Coat (Desert Sand). Just a quick and scrappy job that turned out pretty good.

If I can find a cheap (Leapers, NC Star) quad rail and M-4 style telescoping butt I may modify an old Butler Creek folder to mimic the AR platform as my next project.
 
Very informative and interesting results with the short barrel having higher velocity. My guess is with the 10/22 blow back system. The casing leaves the chamber when the bullet reaches at around 14"-16" in a 18" barrel so any energy thats left escapes out into the action and the last few inches of barrel actually slows the bullet down. I bet in a bolt action. The longer the barrel the higher the velocity.
 
I really thought the CCI Velocitor where suppose to be much faster than all the other brands of ammo. Very good info to know, all though not conclusive but very great. Thanks again for taking the time.
 
Very informative and interesting results with the short barrel having higher velocity. My guess is with the 10/22 blow back system. The casing leaves the chamber when the bullet reaches at around 14"-16" in a 18" barrel so any energy thats left escapes out into the action and the last few inches of barrel actually slows the bullet down. I bet in a bolt action. The longer the barrel the higher the velocity.

Sounds plausible.

Would slightly stronger recoil springs, allowing the bolt to open later on, negate this effect?
 
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