14 in. barrel question

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How does someone know if a REMINGTON 14 in. barrel was manufactured that length and not just a 18 in. cyl bore barrel that someone with a lathe made 14 in.? Were they made in 2 3/4 in. chambers or only 3 in. chambers, is there some special markings on the barrel? This question is for the Remington 16 in barrels also. Is their a way of telling legit barrels? Would like to get one but don't want to have to go to court to prove it is legal.
 
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As far as I know there are no destinguishing factors. Ask yourself this: Can the courts prove the barrel WASN'T a factory 14 inch? The chances that this issue would ever make it to court are slim. Although I like you would err on the side of caution. My statement still stands. If you can't prove it was or wasn't a factory 14" than how could the courts?

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As far as I know there are no destinguishing factors. Ask yourself this: Can the courts prove the barrel WASN'T a factory 14 inch? The chances that this issue would ever make it to court are slim. Although I like you would err on the side of caution. My statement still stands. If you can't prove it was or wasn't a factory 14" than how could the courts?
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It's risky second guessing what forensics can and can't do.

On the choked versions there's no question. The cylinder-choked, bead-sighted versions might be tougher but not impossible. First is the fact the bead is mounted on a small pedestal. You can refix a front bead but will it be exactly the same as factory barrel?

Can you also be sure that the muzzle is rounded and finished in the same way as the factory barrels? Are you certain that x-ray or other measuring systems might not determine the barrel was cut. Because these are NFA barrels in the U.S. are you certain that they do not have markings different than non-NFA barrels? Are you certain a Remington technician might not be called to testify whether the barrel was factory made or not?

What you are putting at stake here is a lengthy incarceration in an unfriendly place in return for having a slightly shorter barrel. You could buy a lot of 14" guns for the cost of your legal fees alone.

Decide for yourself if that's worth the risk.
 
I can see it now......"According to our expert from Remington the 14" barrel in questions is a forgery and was not made by Remington.
Even though both barrels appear to be the same, and they both do the same thing, there can be no doubt that the barrel not made by Remington is evil and must be destroyed!"

Of all our dumb gun laws the non semi-auto barrel rules seem to me to be the easiest to overturn.
Just stick with over all length and get rid of the rest.

The only problem is there seems to be no system in place to address and fix the silly rules that make no sense.
The courts only seem to make new rules and seldom fix past mistakes.

I don't think the barrel length is marked on Norinco's either and there are no laws saying that the barrel length must be stamped on a barrel.
As far as I know there are no laws against re finishing a barrel as well or removing marks other then the serial number. If the end of my barrel is damaged and requires some minor metal work does that mean the "CSI" guy is going to declare my 14 " stock remington barrel "home made"?
What if I don't like the stock sights and put on aftermarket sights?
Or how about installing a screw in choke system on a Remington made 14" barrel that was originally a fixed modified?
 
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I just checked a few Remington barrels and besides the NAME ,gauge, cartridge length and choke stamped on the barrel . At the breech area there are some proof mark like stamps and a diamond with " REM" stamped inside it and on different ones there is also a different letter beside the diamond. Maybe this is some factory code for the barrel length. Anyone know?
 
Give Remington a call.....ask them if they ever made 16" barrels too.

The 16 inch barrels I've seen came from some surplus shotguns that were used for border/customs control. They looked to me like they had been cut down (by a govt. agency so legal I guess) but the registration for the shotgun I saw was listed as less then 470 mm.
If the registration says less then 470mm and the barrel looks clean I'd say you are good to go.
 
I completely understand your dilemma. A couple of years ago a got a good deal on a 14" barrel with Scattergun Tech sights and a 1 rd. extension. When it showed up I was a little surprised to learn that it was CYL bore, I thought that all 14" barrels came with MOD choke. Barrel is marked CYL but it doesn't give the length anywhere, muzzle looks normal and apparently they did make the 14" barrel in CYL at one point. The other thing that had me wondering was that it's in such good shape that it may have been refinished, or not.

I'm not too worried about it though, as long as I get the gun verified when I put the short barrel on it.

What's always had me wondering is, if we aren't allowed to cut barrels below 18.5" than why are Scattergun Tech guns legal up here? As far as I know they just cut the barrel down and refinish the whole gun. I think this even goes for the 18" guns because, if memory serves, they are all cylinder bore, regardless of length.
 
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Give Remington a call.....ask them if they ever made 16" barrels too.

The 16 inch barrels I've seen came from some surplus shotguns that were used for border/customs control. They looked to me like they had been cut down (by a govt. agency so legal I guess) but the registration for the shotgun I saw was listed as less then 470 mm.
If the registration says less then 470mm and the barrel looks clean I'd say you are good to go.
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I e-mailed the CFC to ask what barrel lengths they have on record as produced by Remington. One of the Firearms Technicians responded that Remington makes or has produced 12guage 870 barrels in 12", 14" and 16" lengths.

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What's always had me wondering is, if we aren't allowed to cut barrels below 18.5" than why are Scattergun Tech guns legal up here? As far as I know they just cut the barrel down and refinish the whole gun. I think this even goes for the 18" guns because, if memory serves, they are all cylinder bore, regardless of length.
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Yeah but they are classes as a Title 2 Manufacturer...


blake
 
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What's always had me wondering is, if we aren't allowed to cut barrels below 18.5" than why are Scattergun Tech guns legal up here? As far as I know they just cut the barrel down and refinish the whole gun. I think this even goes for the 18" guns because, if memory serves, they are all cylinder bore, regardless of length.
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Yeah but they are classes as a Title 2 Manufacturer...


blake
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I realize that they are manufacturers but you will not find anyone in Canada with a manufacturers license willing to chop an existing barrel. I believe that this is because no one wants to test the waters in this gray area and risk losing their business.
 
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