17 HMR To 500 Yards?

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Hey all.

Picked up a Savage 93R17 TR. While nosing for a scope I found myself looking at the amount of adjustment that scopes had. Went with a Nikon Buckmaster that has 50 MOA of come up.

Got me thinking about trying to get the 17 out to 500 yards...........

According to Isnipe I think I needed 18 ish MOA to hit 500 yards.

Wind. Well.........................:( Another story there.

Penny for most thoughts?
 
I say go for it. If nothing else you will learn how to accurately read wind. Mysticplayer shot his 223 accurately to a mile:eek:. Do a search in precision rifles, you could probably pick up some tips and see his video.

Now there is something that would seem to relate but really doesn't in any way...... Jerry's .223 was shooting 80gr bullets, and a 17HMR is 17gr. The .17 will have way more drift that .223 bullet would. The .17HMR needs 30ish moa adjustment at 500y and the 80gr. Berger needs 10 moa adjustment @ 500y. There isn't really much comparison there...... Like apples to rocks..... Both are round....

Like I said, It would work on paper if you discout wind drift.......

I just went to Hornady's web site and using their Ballistics calculator & their posed data for the 17gr. 17HMR here are my results.....

Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
Bullet Weight (grains) 17 Ballistic Coefficient .125
Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2550 Temperature 59f
Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
Zero Range (yards) 200 Wind Speed (mph) 0



Ballistics Table in Yards 17 gr., .125 B.C. www.hornady.com

Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
Velocity (fps) 2550 2213 1902 1380 1058 906 807
Energy (ft.-lb.) 245 185 137 72 42 31 25
Trajectory (200 yd. zero) -1.5 2.3 4.2 0.0 -23.0 -75.3 -164.7
Come Up in MOA -1.5 -4.3 -4.0 0.0 7.3 18.0 31.4

So this tells me that with zero wind the bullet will be travelling @ 807 fps @ 500y and will drop 164.7" from a 200y zero a 31.4 moa adjustment, or 125(ish) 'clicks'.

Lets see the same results with a 10mph wind.......

Input Variables Firearm type Rifle Sight Height 1.5
Bullet Weight (grains) 17 Ballistic Coefficient .125
Muzzle Velocity (fps) 2550 Temperature 59
Barometric Pressure (hg) 29.53 Relative Humidity 78%
Zero Range (yards) 200 Wind Speed (mph) 10



Ballistics Table in Yards 17 gr., .125 B.C. www.hornady.com

Range (yards) Muzzle 50 100 200 300 400 500
Velocity (fps) 2550 2213 1902 1380 1058 906 807
Energy (ft.-lb.) 245 185 137 72 42 31 25
Trajectory (200 yd. zero) -1.5 2.3 4.2 0.0 -23.0 -75.3 -164.7
Wind Drift (inches) 0.0 0.7 3.3 15.3 38.9 72.5 113.7
Come Up in MOA -1.5 -4.3 -4.0 0.0 7.3 18.0 31.4
Wind Drift (moa) 0.00 1.42 3.11 7.29 12.38 17.31 21.71

Wind drift will be 113.7" :eek: or 21.71 MOA...... so like 84'clicks'.....

I guess 'theoretically' it is possible, but talk about PERFECT condidtions..... I would like to hear your results if/when you try it out...... For practice try some .22lr @ 200y, if you can do that then .17 @ 500y is possible.....

Now just so I don't get flamed....... I don't mean to say that shooting the .22lr for 'score' at 200y is impossible, just that it takes a certain 'kind' or person to be able to accomplish this...... I KNOW I can't! But I also know I can take out cans of tomato soup @300y with my .223..... I am pretty sure that it is the rimfire ammo tha's holding me back:rolleyes:
 
Spose I gots nothing to loose.

Guess you can't say that Notsorichguy isn't brutally honest........:eek:

Awww crap I gone and done it again...... I took someones carefully thought out and planned dream, and then I threw it in the mud and stomped on it! :redface:

I really think you should try it out. But on a really calm day, like next to no wind..... Try to "walk" in your targets as well, from 200y @ 50y intervals, then at least you can see where you are hitting.

The biggest problem I can see would be your rifle.... Talk about a very well made rimfire..... Tight tight tolerances

Cheers!
 
I guess 'theoretically' it is possible, but talk about PERFECT condidtions..... I would like to hear your results if/when you try it out...... For practice try some .22lr @ 200y, if you can do that then .17 @ 500y is possible.....

It can be done and with not as much hassle as you suggest....

frying pan I shot with a 22lr at 200 yards. Lapua Super Club SV, 1050 fps, bc 0.114, 40g, scope height over bore 1.875 inches. Had to come up 79 clicks and hold over 2.5 mils, held off .75 mils for wind.
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Awww crap I gone and done it again...... I took someones carefully thought out and planned dream, and then I threw it in the mud and stomped on it! :redface:
:rolleyes:

Taken from another forum on this board....

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The drops and wind drift are no worse than a lot of .308 and .223 loads are at 1k. I think what will kill it is velocity deviation since there is no .17 HMR match ammo. Vertical stringing may be open things up a lot vertically. If you get a good lot, it might be low. You might want to try sorting by weight and/or rim thickness.

200 yards with a .22LR isn't very hard. 300 yards gets challenging. Here are a few videos I took:
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b...uff/Results/?action=view&current=P1050363.mp4
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b...uff/Results/?action=view&current=P1050403.mp4
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b356/kombayotch/Firearms Stuff/Results/P1050413.jpg

The little arrow in the bottom right makes it go full screen. 200 yard gong is 3.5"x3.5" and the 300 yard one is made from an old 7" saw blade. Both made specially for the .22R.
 
i would be very impressed to see that shot.

i know 200 yards isnt hard, but i shot mine the other day at 200 and i was very impressed at the accuracy for such a light round
 
25 ft-lbs at 500. Might as well throw a rock. Certainly not good enough for shooting at any game.
That wee bullet will get blown all over by the slightest bit of wind too. It'd still be fun and great practice for reasonable distances though.
 
"...you can throw a rock 500yds..." Can't you? No super powers? snicker. A well made trebuchet will do it. It'll have more than 25 ft-lbs of energy too.
 
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