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From the pictures I think it has been re blued and the wood refinished or replaced. It will require a hands on examination by an experienced eye to determine that as well as the internal condition of the action on barrel.
 
The serial # puts it at 1937 manufacture. The solid rib is factory but I am suspicious about the “standard trap” stamp. It seems odd how the standard trap stamp is so crisp while the serial# is almost completely sanded off. I don’t know all there is to know but I’ve never seen a trap model stamped “standard trap”. Usually just “trap” and a pigeon grade would have an engraved pigeon above the word trap. With the serial # worn down to barely visible it’s definitely been refinished. Too bad somebody f’d up the trigger guard. The recoil pad looks aftermarket, the colour is wrong. With everything combined I’d guess somebody took an old solid rib field gun and tried to duplicate a trap gun. It doesn’t hold much collector value but it’s likely a good solid shooter so get out and enjoy it.
 
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Here is some info from the net regarding the "Standard Trap" marking. However, the op's gun is also stamped for Super Speed & Super X 3":

In the mid 30's until around 1942 WW offered the Model 12 in 12, 16 and 20 gauge in the Trap grade and it was stamped "STANDARD TRAP" on the receiver extension. Around 1938 WW started offering a second Trap grade Model 12 in 12, 16 and 20 gauge and it was stamped "MODEL-12-TRAP" on the receiver extension. Around 1942 WW dropped the "STANDARD TRAP" stamped Trap grade guns and continued stamping "MODEL-12-TRAP" on the receiver extension of Trap grade guns until 1950 when the stamping practice of Trap and Skeet grade guns was terminated by WW. I have not witnessed a post 1942 Winchester Model 12 Trap grade gun stamped "STANDARD TRAP" on the receiver extension.

All Trap grade guns from the mid 30's until 1950 wore solid red Winchester recoil pads, checkered Trap grade stocks and forearms and most wore pistol grip caps. Some 1938-1942 Model 12 Trap grade guns, 12, 16 and 20 gauge are seen without grip caps as this is a documented option by WW. All Trap grade guns wore a solid rib barrels or a 2 pin vent rib barrel in 12 gauge only. Factory vent rib barrels on 16 and 20 gauge model 12's were not available until after 1955.

Prior to the mid 1930's Trap grade Model 12's were stamped "TRAP" underneath the serial number on the receiver, not on the receiver extension. I have never witnessed a 16 or 20 gauge gun with this stamp. I believe all pre mid 1930's Trap grade guns stamped "TRAP" under the serial number on the receiver were 12 gauge guns and 16 and 20 gauge guns were not marked by grade.
 
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The standard trap on this receiver is not done by winchester for example it is missing the arrow
There is a bunch of pieces here that someone cleaned up, blued and tried to copy a trap gun but IMO didnot do a good job
Take it shoot it and enjoy it. All the best
Cheers
 
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Looks to me like it’s a solid rib field gun from the 30s maybe. I think it was completely re-done. The factory edges are smoothed down, and the ser# is almost buffed away. The wood is aftermarket IMO and not period correct. Having said all that...it’s a good shooter and a classic gun worth what you paid for it.

Just noticed it’s 3” chamber too....interesting.
 
dilly said:
Looks to me like it’s a solid rib field gun from the 30s maybe. I think it was completely re-done. The factory edges are smoothed down, and the ser# is almost buffed away. The wood is aftermarket IMO and not period correct. Having said all that...it’s a good shooter and a classic gun worth what you paid for it.

Just noticed it’s 3” chamber too....interesting.
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Yes it has the heavy duck barrel on it but a few trap guns were fitted with that barrel. I am trying to nail down when I don't think it was when this receiver was made
Cheers
 
I once owned a "Heavy Duck" which wore a factory barrel stamped "For Super Speed & Super-X 3 IN" with a solid rib. I can't see Winchester putting that on a Trap gun so yes this is a mish mash of parts from various guns IMO.
 
furry said:
I once owned a "Heavy Duck" which wore a factory barrel stamped "For Super Speed & Super-X 3 IN" with a solid rib. I can't see Winchester putting that on a Trap gun so yes this is a mish mash of parts from various guns IMO.
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A bit more from the net. As 3macs mentioned, such barrels were put on some trap guns.

Yes there are Md 12 "Duck" gun Traps, they have a solid rib on them. The following is a rough difference. Barrel, mag band and bushing, mag plug stop, and the action slide, (the rod that goes into the receiver is about .058 of an inch thicker. The receiver is machied differerent, the trigger guard is about 1/16in shorter, the carrier is longer, the bolt is machined deeper for the action slide rod. Butt stocks a generally shorter and weighted for balance. (unless it was a "special order" for longer a butt stock.
 
For sure re blued as sharp edges worn off receiver sides. Frankenstein M12 made from several guns with aftermarket lumber. Id bet the serial numbers on receiver and barrel don't match. Not uncommon for stamping on receiver to be worn off hard hunted field grades.
 
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For sure re blued as sharp edges worn off receiver sides. Frankenstein M12 made from several guns with aftermarket lumber. Id bet the serial numbers on receiver and barrel don't match. Not uncommon for stamping on receiver to be worn off hard hunted field grades.
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I was thinking the same thing in regards to the serial numbers and a gun made up of different guns.
 
I saw a pre-war Standard Trap Heavy Duck gun a few years back that was in original condition. They did make them but the one the OP has posted has been around the block a few times. . As mentioned it's been over buffed and re-blued and also the wood is not correct, the checkering patterns are haywire on both the pistol grip and the forend. Should have borders, smaller pattern, 20 LPI checkering on pre-wars.

Here's two solid rib trap guns I have from the 1930's for comparison.

1937 Standard Trap

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!935 Trap

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