1859 Sharps Percussion Carbine

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I have what I believe to be a 1859 Sharps Percussion Carbine reproduction - there are no visible markings so I'm thinking it might be a kit gun.

Anyway I have been reading and reviewing videos about loading for these guns using both loose powder and the preferred method paper cartridges which prompts my following question - could you use the Pyrodex pellets in these guns i.e. insert projectile, insert Pyrodex pellet, close block, insert percussion cap , #### and fire.

And yes I know what I am asking is sacrilege for you worshippers of the holy black but inquiring minds do want to know?

Thanks, Retreever
 
Yes the pyrodex pellets should work However when shooting Black powder or Pyrodex there should not be any air space between the powder and bullet. So if I were you I would use a ramrod to make sure the powder+bullet are well seated.
 
The pellet should be up against the flash hole in the breech block for proper ignition and not to be able to slide back and forth in the chamber.Also the pyrodex pellet may be a little harder to ignite than regular BP
 
I don’t see why they wouldn’t work. I have two percussion sharps and have owned two others. I used to use pyrodex but I found the fouling was pretty hard so I stick to black powder now. The sharps has a recess in the breech so it is designed to have some loose space. I found the easiest solution is to make paper tubes of powder that fit in the chamber. Shove in the bullet, follow with the tube, when you close the block it cuts the tube. The musket caps are very potent they will set of most anything so pyrodex isn’t an ignition problem.
 
Manuf.: I.A.B. Gardone

Right side is marked: Cape Outfitters Importing-Cape Giradeau. MO ?

If it is the one I think it is , It was sold in the last month on a I collector auction .

Cape outfitters used to sell them as a kit,entry level quality ..fun pumpkin roller

seat the bullet pour the powder , percussion musket cap, aim and fire .

Repeat and have lots of fun made for black powder but I am sure pryodex pellets or loose will go boom but drop thee block and give it a good scrub and lots of oil
 
cdnrokon said:
Manuf.: I.A.B. Gardone

Right side is marked: Cape Outfitters Importing-Cape Giradeau. MO ?

If it is the one I think it is , It was sold in the last month on a I collector auction .

Cape outfitters used to sell them as a kit,entry level quality ..fun pumpkin roller

seat the bullet pour the powder , percussion musket cap, aim and fire .

Repeat and have lots of fun made for black powder but I am sure pryodex pellets or loose will go boom but drop thee block and give it a good scrub and lots of oil
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Yes, that's the one I had to go look at the gun again the marking are pretty faint. I got the powder and bought some caps this morning but have not been able to find projectiles - any suggestions?

Retreever
 
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Just a warning...I owned an A I B "paper cutter" years ago and when being fired it leaked powder blast fowling around the breach block paper cutter big time...wear very good eye protection when first firing your rifle until you at least know if it leaks the way mine did. I tried to shim the paper cutter tighter but everything i tried was a failure.

Hopefully mine was a one-off and yours seals efficiently.
 
if you have a few Thompson centre maxi bullets in .54 tap one through the bore and measure what you have. Kal Tool here in Winnipeg can make you a bullet mould and also get the rate of twist of the barrel . Those two things are most important when looking for the right projectile.
Looks like a fun gun ... looks like a kit rifle as the pewter forearm tip was never installed on the front.
 
cdnrokon said:
if you have a few Thompson centre maxi bullets in .54 tap one through the bore and measure what you have. Kal Tool here in Winnipeg can make you a bullet mould and also get the rate of twist of the barrel . Those two things are most important when looking for the right projectile.
Looks like a fun gun ... looks like a kit rifle as the pewter forearm tip was never installed on the front.
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Thanks for the tip on projectiles - do you know if the pewter forearm tip can be purchased?

Retreever
 
You don t buy a pewter tip it is moulded onto the forearm.Basically you build what’s called a dam and molten Pewter is poured into it ,then when it is cooled the pewter is shaped to the forend with a file.If you look online you will find detailed instructions on how to do this.Also this is done while the forearm is still attached to the rifle
 
pewter can be had at any goodwill store ,plates ,cups, ashtrays look at the bottom of the item to be sure. melt it down .
also blend it with bullets for casting projectiles.
 
cdnrokon said:
if you have a few Thompson centre maxi bullets in .54 tap one through the bore and measure what you have. Kal Tool here in Winnipeg can make you a bullet mould and also get the rate of twist of the barrel . Those two things are most important when looking for the right projectile.
Looks like a fun gun ... looks like a kit rifle as the pewter forearm tip was never installed on the front.
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Who is Kal ? A mould maker?
 
Rick the owner makes moulds and other items for the shooting community. They are a paper patch design of the best quality.
check out the site he will make anything you want. He shoots black powder cartridge as well many muzzleloaders including the Parker Hale Whitworth.

http://www.kal.castpics.net
 
Ok, so I took a run at casting a pewter tip for the forearm, some minor issues and lessons learned. Now to get the files out and start shaping it.

Retreever

PS The line you see is not a crack but from where the cardstock I used for the form overlapped.

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