1885 highwall project from casting kit

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Anyone have any experience making their own highwall from a casting kit ?
I have the castings for an 1885 from Boulder river foundries.
It’s complete with all internal parts less the screws, pins and springs , anyone have a line on a supplier for the extra bits I need ?
Im a journeyman machinist with years of experience but I’ve never taken on a full build like this before .
Any advice and tips would be greatly appreciated.
 

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I’m getting plans sent from ASSRA archives in Wisconsin, hope to get them I a couple weeks , I believe they have changed all the thread pitches to common unf and unc standard threads instead of the weird Winchester thread pitches that require hard to get taps . This kit requires the coil main spring which I was able to find , the parts I’ll have to buy are the flat trigger and sear springs etc
 
Anyone have any experience making their own highwall from a casting kit ?
I have the castings for an 1885 from Boulder river foundries.
It’s complete with all internal parts less the screws, pins and springs , anyone have a line on a supplier for the extra bits I need ?
Im a journeyman machinist with years of experience but I’ve never taken on a full build like this before .
Any advice and tips would be greatly appreciated.

IRRC, Boulder River is/was the supplier to Montana Vintage Arms.

But in any case, I suggest going over every part, very carefully, and plotting out the dimensions and tolerances you wish to follow, well before you cut anything off the castings, so as to be certain that you do not paint yourself into the figurative corner, and end up with parts that are either not fitting together, or not able to be actually made from the castings as supplied.

Some quality time with a surface plate, a surface gage, and some form of marking out fluid is the most common recommendation I have read. Liquid paper or a coat of primer-surfacer, may serve well.

A question topical to above, did the castings come from a source that also was willing to supply plans? Are they dimensioned and toleranced? There are a lot of generic Win 1885 plans sets around, not all say the same things, as they were mostly built up by guess and by golly, from guys measuring various old Winchesters. As generic references, they provide only about half the info you will actually need to make the castings into a working firearm. And depending on how different they are from the actual castings in hand, may lead you down a right 'garden path', that you may not be able to recover from.

Screws and pins, you are expected to make yourself, rather than buy, but there are a few guys stateside that have been making screw kits for old guns if you don't mind the cost, if you can get them to send them out. Springs same, you can make or buy them.

If you can borrow copies of Campbell's two volumes on the Winchester Single Shot, they would prove to be pretty damn good references, if you wanted to copy a factory gun as near as possible. If you are OK with that the parts will never go on a factory gun, and factory parts are never gonna fit on yours, then refer back to my very first suggestion. Build it on paper first. If you are into dicking about with the various softwares out there, you can make a 3D rendered set of parts and check clearances and operation, before making any parts, if you would like to.
 
I scratch built one 7 years ago.
I have an original that I used for dimensions, but even so, I do not think the parts would interchange.
Rick at KAL Tool and Die had a kit and did some work on it.
Dont know if it got finished.
 
Hi, thats a nice looking casting, I don’t suppose you have a 2nd. set! I can’t say I have experience making an 1885 but I am also a journeyman machinist and I have been thinking about this project for years. I am currently making solid models from drawings, tedious but making from scratch seems to be the only option these days as I can’t seem to find castings anywhere. Based on the amount of angles and curves in the parts I am thinking you will be making a lot of fixtures unless you have CNC and even then there are not a lot of straight, square surfaces. Not sure if I can help but I am happy to share the solids as they develop.

Regards

Rob
 
I built one from scratch, 6 or 7 years ago, 45-70, been shooting it now for ~ 5 years.
I used the plans available from ASSRA (American Single Shot Rifle Association). Note that these are NOT original Winchester plans, its reverse Engineering by someone (I believe a Pro Draftsman) that intended to start manufacturing them (but never did). They are "pretty close" but if you buy them be aware that there are 2 or 3 "mistakes" in the drawings that may / will bite you in the ass.
IIRC these drawings are only $10 US, are the same drawings sold by several others (for much more). They come from ASSRA on 8.5 x 11" paper which is way too small. I was fortunate that I have a construction / mechanical background and use AutoCad quite a bit. So, I was able to import them into AutoCad and then re-print on a large format printer - also re-drew lots of parts just to "figure things out". These drawings have a huge amount of details crammed in tightly together.
I was also fortunate to be a member of "Home Gunsmith forum" - there's a guy there that had built one, found the mistakes (too late) had to weld up mis-placed holes etc. fortunately, he kept track of the errors and proper hole locations and reported them on that forum. His screen name is / was "Alphwolf 45", not sure if he's still there, think he had / has health problems.
Huge project, proud of the finished product, hundreds (if not thousands ) of hours of work, glad I did it (learned lots) - don't know if I'd want to do another. Starting from a casting would be a big "boost". Cutting the mortice in a block of steel was a big challenge. Hundreds of these have been started, not very many finished.
PM me if you like, I think I wrote down (somewhere) his "tips" re: hole locations that he had to re-drill.
 
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