1889 schimdt rubin ?? if so how $

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hello to all
need some help.
was told it was a k31- ordered Magazine from overseas- before i received the mag i realized it was a k11 due to the serial # - 85481

so i ordered a k11 magazine- once i got them ... well of course neither fit - so.... now i have a 1889 mag coming- 3 mags for 1 gun ha ha (beginner????)

in the mean time i bought a case of gp11 along with these 2 magazines.

if in fact this is a 1889 i understand the gp11 will kill me.... so yeah - i'm that guy in the EE with the 2 mags for 130 and the box of ammo for sale

here is what i want the help with ..

the magazines are not available in Canada or the USA or so i had been told by the many calls i had made looking for a mag in the first place- a helpful member directed me and i found one. The $130 i am asking is inflated by $6.?? to round up - im in them for $124.?? overseas shipping sucks- so if anyone needs one that is really what they will cost to your door. not trying to be the guy that rips people off-

Ammo- well yeah bought it in anticipation of a boom boom fest- well guess that wont happen. so that is why that is for sale - $350 was purchased price will eat tax.

That leaves the gun - 1889 im sure - what it worth- want and need to recoup some of the loss.
gun was inherited due to a family tragedy- was thinking would be fun for my kids to shoot as a memory- guess i got caught up in the moment and bought pre research-!!!

so what is the gun worth?
what should i be asking for the mags?
what should i be asking for the ammo?
thanks ( sorry about the upside down pictures - just another hiccup in this story ha ha

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That there is an 1889. Do not shoot GP11 (7.5x55) through it.

Missing the mag hurts its value a lot and I would put it close to sporter value of $150 or so.
 
You're not going to recoup your money at this point.

I am not sure of the value of the K11 mags, what did you pay for them? If you're looking for a shooter, dump it and accept the loss. GP90 (7.5x53.5) is unobtanium unless you reload. If you like Swiss rifles and want an 1889 for your collection then hold on to it. They don't go for a ton of cash but full-wood 1889s are uncommon, you see a lot of them sportered and rechambered to .30-30.
 
i payed $126- as mentioned in post- shipping exchange etc etc.
well then so here it goes..... i have a uncommon 1889 with mag on a ship or plane somewhere over the ocean right now- start the line up to the left and we will sell to the highest bidder- ha ha.
a collection i have but not of swisses- if it was a shoot-able k31 or 11 it would be kept and fired. but that not the case so it will need to go -
 
Sorry your post is not clear on the price you paid for the K11 magazines. It looks like you paid $126 for the 1889 magazine, did you pay that for the K11 mags as well?
 
These guys are beating you to death. As you already know, the GP11 isn't suitable for that rifle. The rifle itself appears to be in excellent condition but your pics are to small to determine whether it has been refinished or not. Some of the 1889 rifles came into International Firearms in Montreal in as new condition. To bad someone misplaced the original mag as they are serial numbered to match the rest of the rifle. At least mine is.

That rifle, including the mag you have coming for it should easily bring $300+. It would bring more if the mag were original. Little details like that really knock down values. That is one of the nicer 1889 rifles I have seen in a long time. Your relative must have either gone to the International warehouse in Montreal or paid a premium to get it.

As far as the other spare mags, which don't fit that rifle, you will get what the market will give you. I bought one of the new in wrap mags that Tradex had for a while for about half what you want for yours. They are still around if you frequent gun shows.

The ammunition will be easy to sell and likely locally so you won't have to go through all the hazmat fees.

Hope this helps.

IMHO you should look for someone local to load up some ammo for you so that you can take that old girl out and run it through its paces. They are excellent shooters with relatively light recoil. From the looks of the rifle, I doubt your relative ever shot it.

By the way, was the rifle held in a police lock up after your relative's demise???? Maybe they lost the mag??? Wouldn't be the first time. If it was stored by them, at least they took good care of it rather than tossing it helter skelter into a crowded locker.

Those rifles are very underappreciated by those that just want to shoot them. Really decent examples are hard to find.
 
you could also find someone to pull the bullets on the gp11 ammo and down size the powder load to reduce pressures where it is safe to shoot in the 1889 7.5x53.5 rifle.The rifle looks to be in real nice condition i have one that as all matching numbers but the one i have isnt in as nice condt as it was left in a barn for to many years .It cleaned up real nice and the bore was surprisingly in very good condt and it was the rifle i needed to round out the swiss collection
 
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mikerock said:
That there is an 1889. Do not shoot GP11 (7.5x55) through it.

Missing the mag hurts its value a lot and I would put it close to sporter value of $150 or so.
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That beautiful old rifle in THAT condition would make an easy $500-600 here in UK. I can buy one here without a 'license' [actually a certificate here in UK] as the ammunition has not been made since 1923. But to shoot it needs a license.

tac
 
Both k31 and k11 mags cost me 126 each so yeah- at the time i thought it it was worth it to be able to shoot the gun. thats why i jumped at ammo and mags when i found them. so.... next time i will look into things before i "pull the trigger"

as for original mag- the gun jumped from one uncle to another in to old farm houses- the guys in the know arent with us anymore... both houses checked and no mag- with no ammo / mag i believe your correct in saying this 1889 has likely never been fired. (The 303's had ammo and mags)

The gun yes is in that good of shape if you care i can take better photos and upload.
 
we just got back from cuckfield, sussex england visiting family ans seeing where my grandmother and dad where born. Could/should have brought it to ya (ha ha ) also visiting the barracks where my grand father was stationed during ww2- listened to some good old war stories about those Canadian boys. we took on sorta celebrity status being a product of a local war bride- what an experience- examined the rooster on top church steeple that the Canadian boys would shoot with there rifles after possibly a few to many at the pub. ha ha
 
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Of course, you could also load your own ammunition for it. Dies and components are available, and the bullets are common .308 calibre. Cast lead bullets work amazingly well in the 1889 rifles.
 
Can anyone answer why the serial number would date it as a Model 1911 Carbines (Karabiner) Manufacture ended on July 11, 1933
year 1918 - how many made -19000 serial numbers 70001-89000
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1187486-K31-Useful-Information

This is just taken from the dating stick- That is where the second confusion and purchase of the k11 mag came into play.

The lever for mag release confirm the 1889

Just a question- i may be missing something simple.
 
I would recommend that you keep the mags and get rifles to shoot them in. K31 are available at Wholesale Sports for $300 and a second mag is nice as the chargers are really hard to find. It is unfortunate that you overpaid but your asking price is too high in the current market to recoup what you loss - The GP11 ammo as an example is available for $300+tax at WSS so I don't see why somebody would pay you more for it unless it is comparable to your local pricing (shipping it would just be plain expensive and really turn off a lot of potential buyers). If you can't afford to buy another rifle or eat the loss, I would just hold on to what you have and wait for the cheap stuff to sell out - you may be able to break even if the prices go up. As for your current rifle, I would just hold on to it and see if you can find reloading equipment to enjoy it but that is just my opinion.

Hope it works out for you.
 
yelik said:
Can anyone answer why the serial number would date it as a Model 1911 Carbines (Karabiner) Manufacture ended on July 11, 1933
year 1918 - how many made -19000 serial numbers 70001-89000
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1187486-K31-Useful-Information

This is just taken from the dating stick- That is where the second confusion and purchase of the k11 mag came into play.

The lever for mag release confirm the 1889

Just a question- i may be missing something simple.
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It's the length of the rifles that is the distinction.

Long rifles, over 50" in length.

Model 1889 #1-212000

Model 89/96 -> 96-11
1-50 & 212001-349000

Model 1911 #355001-482000

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Short rifles/Karabiner
Model 1893 (Steyr M95) #4251-7750
Model 1889/1900 #1-18750 (Many converted to K11s). (They added digits to the front of original serial #).
Kavalleriekarabiner model 1905 #1-7900 (Many converted to K11s). (They added digits to the front of original serial #).
K11 #30001-215100
K31 (after 1953-1958) #215001-263330 > using up an unused block of numbers.
K31 (1933-1953) #520010-999999
 
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