1904 6.5 mod.
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Dark Alley Dan
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Sorry, what?
burnt_servo
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googled this .... http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c...tljp131760900507200&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw
http://cartridgeloaders.com/article/6.5x58 port.html
sounds like a 6.5x58 Portuguese Mauser , or a 8x57 or 7x57 mauser necked down to 6.5mm .
pictures would help , but i do a chamber cast just to make sure what it was before loading any sort of ammo for it .
http://cartridgeloaders.com/article/6.5x58 port.html
sounds like a 6.5x58 Portuguese Mauser , or a 8x57 or 7x57 mauser necked down to 6.5mm .
pictures would help , but i do a chamber cast just to make sure what it was before loading any sort of ammo for it .
I am assuming that the rifle you are talking about has a barrel about 23 inches long and a set of funny-looking "rabbit-ears" front-sight protectors.
It is marked on the left side of the action ESPRINGARDA PORTUGUESA MODELO 1904 6.5mm and, under that, it is marked DEUTSCHE WAFFEN UND MUNITIONSFABRIKEN - BERLIN..... all of which translates from Portuguese as PORTUGUESE RIFLE MODEL 1904, CALIBRE 6.5mm and from German as GERMAN WEAPONS AND MUNITIONS FACTORIES - BERLIN.
It was the official rifle of the Portuguese Army during WW1, made originally in 6.5x58 (which you will NEVER find in shooting quantity) and was supplemented and replaced by the German-made Mauser 98k in 1937. Also in 1937/38, these rifles were sent back to Germany and reworked into 8x57s (8mm Mauser) by shortening the barrel from 29 inches to 23 inches and boring them out and rechambering it to use the 8mm Mauser cartridge. It was at this time that the "rabbit-ars" front-sight protector was installed. No other rifle uses this very distinctive sight protector.
The action of the rifle is a native Portuguese design and is almost unbelieveably smooth. It is as good as the fabled Mannlicher-Schoenauer. They are a good strong rifle and will handle the German JsS loading of the 8mm cartridge...... which was originally the ANTI-TANK load: a 196-gain FMJBT bullet at about 2650 ft/sec. It is HOT: more wallop than a .30-06.
A CAUTION: when cleaning this rifle, flush the bolt out with brake-drum cleaner, then allow it to dry, then lubricate very sparingly with very lightweight oil. DO NOT try to disassemble it unless you have investigated the rifle thoroughly. These are amazingly easy to take apart and reassemble...... IF you know how. 99% of collectors don't know how, and it is nearly impossible to describe. There is a thread on these rifles in MILSURPS, so check there.
These are a FINE rifle.... but they WERE converted to 8mm in 1937..... but only a few were MARKED as being converted. They were never made in ANY other calibres than 6.5x58 Vergueiro....... and nearly all were converted to 8x57.
If a .30 slug enters the muzzle freely, you have the conversion.
You need 8mm Mauser brass, medium-quick powder such as 4895 (preferred) and you need .323" bullets in 150 for deer or antelope, 170 for moose or elk and 200 or 220 for grizzly.
Hope this helps.
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It is marked on the left side of the action ESPRINGARDA PORTUGUESA MODELO 1904 6.5mm and, under that, it is marked DEUTSCHE WAFFEN UND MUNITIONSFABRIKEN - BERLIN..... all of which translates from Portuguese as PORTUGUESE RIFLE MODEL 1904, CALIBRE 6.5mm and from German as GERMAN WEAPONS AND MUNITIONS FACTORIES - BERLIN.
It was the official rifle of the Portuguese Army during WW1, made originally in 6.5x58 (which you will NEVER find in shooting quantity) and was supplemented and replaced by the German-made Mauser 98k in 1937. Also in 1937/38, these rifles were sent back to Germany and reworked into 8x57s (8mm Mauser) by shortening the barrel from 29 inches to 23 inches and boring them out and rechambering it to use the 8mm Mauser cartridge. It was at this time that the "rabbit-ars" front-sight protector was installed. No other rifle uses this very distinctive sight protector.
The action of the rifle is a native Portuguese design and is almost unbelieveably smooth. It is as good as the fabled Mannlicher-Schoenauer. They are a good strong rifle and will handle the German JsS loading of the 8mm cartridge...... which was originally the ANTI-TANK load: a 196-gain FMJBT bullet at about 2650 ft/sec. It is HOT: more wallop than a .30-06.
A CAUTION: when cleaning this rifle, flush the bolt out with brake-drum cleaner, then allow it to dry, then lubricate very sparingly with very lightweight oil. DO NOT try to disassemble it unless you have investigated the rifle thoroughly. These are amazingly easy to take apart and reassemble...... IF you know how. 99% of collectors don't know how, and it is nearly impossible to describe. There is a thread on these rifles in MILSURPS, so check there.
These are a FINE rifle.... but they WERE converted to 8mm in 1937..... but only a few were MARKED as being converted. They were never made in ANY other calibres than 6.5x58 Vergueiro....... and nearly all were converted to 8x57.
If a .30 slug enters the muzzle freely, you have the conversion.
You need 8mm Mauser brass, medium-quick powder such as 4895 (preferred) and you need .323" bullets in 150 for deer or antelope, 170 for moose or elk and 200 or 220 for grizzly.
Hope this helps.
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I'm hoping others can come to your aid here! Glad that we can help!
