1910 Mk III Ross rifle Front Barrel Band

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I know the front barrel band / snout band are impossible to find as a single part so I will fabricate my own as best I can.

Would a kind member post a close-up photo or two of the front nose piece of their original M-10 Mk III rifle ( 2 side views and an end view) ?

Best if the photo includes a measuring tape or ruler so I can calculate the dimension. Thanks so much.
 
subscribed to thread, if anyone can sucessfully duplicate these I would be interested in buying one!! Have a great rifle with rough bore that shoots quite good, love the rifle just need to make it look complete if possible.

Rodney
 
I did own it for a few weeks then got frustrated with getting a full barrel length Ross sporter. I sold it and then a week later found a dewat Ross barrel and receiver. (I know, dumb move) .

Still looking for that full length sporter but now I can at least work on my woodwork for the stock.

Still could use a photo with a ruler in the same photo to get my dimensions correct.




desporterizer said:
That was me but it was for a dewat so it only had to look good from a distance.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/978342-Whittling-a-Ross-nosecap

I think you ended up owning it & its very close dimensionally to the real thing.
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I think the only way to make one is to borrow one so it can be referenced at any time.

I hope to have one on loan this winter so I can either make a few up or get them made at our metal shop at work.

A guy can dream:)

BTW, the above pictures from milsurps are the best reference pictures I've found. Been collecting pics for quite some time now.
 
For what is is worth, from the "old days" when I was a tool and diemaker, I think to make one-piece nose caps would require making a broach. In my opinion, the easiest way to make one would be to machine the upper and lower halves separately, leaving v grooves for welding and then weld together with MIG or TIG and file/machine the welds smooth. You can do a nice job of heat bluing afterwards with a torch. Still a fairly complex milling project, but can be done.
 
^this. But there are at least 3 versions of Ross nosecaps. Each is a little bit different, with the MkI cap being quite different. I'm going to do a MkI and MkIII with the above method. I don't have the tooling to stamp one so the MkII is out, luckily I have an original here. If they turn out well I may be interested in making more but they probably won't be cheap.
 
Just to get people excited. I have made inquiries with regards to getting nosecaps made up for LEC cavalry carbines.

Uses a 3d metal printing process. The expensive part of the process is making the 3d computer model (which I can do myself).

It is looking good so far, I will update you when I actually get a sample in my hand.

So there is the potential to have made, any nosecap or barrel band. Just need a drawing.

There is a video on the net of a printed 1911 Colt (every part printed except the springs) at a range. They have put over 600 rounds through it. Parts are dimensionaly accurate and strong enough for live fire.

http://www.extremetech.com/wp-conte...n-Components-Disassembled-Low-Res-640x480.jpg

Steel too, they can be polished and browned.

Interesting technology.
 
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Thanks BadgerDog. Those pictures are excellent. Now if some kind soul can give me the overall length (edge to edge), all the other dimensions can be calculated.



BadgerDog said:
Does this help at all?

Extracted from an MKL entry with a 77 pic photo montage ...

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1916 M10 Mk. III Ross Rifle (Marked to 16th Battalion C.E.F.)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=142-1916-Mk.-III-Ross-Rifle-(Marked-to-16th-Battalion-C.E.F.)

Regards,
Doug
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flying pig said:
^this. But there are at least 3 versions of Ross nosecaps. Each is a little bit different, with the MkI cap being quite different. I'm going to do a MkI and MkIII with the above method. I don't have the tooling to stamp one so the MkII is out, luckily I have an original here. If they turn out well I may be interested in making more but they probably won't be cheap.
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Sounds like we may have all the bases covered as once I get a MkII sample (should be this winter) I'm going to see if I can pull some strings and get a good friend to make the tooling. I'm more then willing to spend the time and money as I think it's a worthy cause.

Then my brother and I will spend the winter stamping nosecaps and we hope to have some by next year.
 
Tinman204 said:
Sounds like we may have all the bases covered as once I get a MkII sample (should be this winter) I'm going to see if I can pull some strings and get a good friend to make the tooling. I'm more then willing to spend the time and money as I think it's a worthy cause.

Then my brother and I will spend the winter stamping nosecaps and we hope to have some by next year.
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If you guys go that way it would save me tons of trouble. I'd be doing mine all with hand tools and a tig. It would likely take me most of a month to do one cap, I only get about an hour of free time in the morning each day to play with my projects, rest of my time is spent at work or with the wife and kids.
 
Length: 1.885"

Width: 1"

Diameter of Barrel Hole: .695"

Width of Byont Lug/Bar: .395"

Height at Sling Swivel Loop: 1.595"

Hight at Midpoint of Bayonet Bar: 1.330"

Bayonet Bar is brazed to the actual Nose Cap, which is of sheet-steel construction.

On the specimen I have here, securing is by a vertical screw entering the Nose Cap from the bottom, halfway along the Bayont Bar. The Nose Cap on my very early Mark III rifle is secured ALSO by a horizontal trandverse screw mating with a thin brazed-on Nut on the Left side of the Cap.

Originals were made on contract by O. F. Mossberg.
 
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