1917 Tula Finnish M91 Mosin from Wolverine Sale

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Ok,

I thought that I would also post this separately as the other thread is getting long and some people probably won't get to see it. So here it is in a separate post. I haven't done anything to the stock yet as I have been reading about refinishing them and thought that I would get some opinions first before I ended up doing a BUBBA job on her.

My question is, what to do with the stock? Do I just leave it alone or is there some way to clean it up a bit and maybe add some oil to preserve it? I was initially thinking of totally stripping it down with Circa 1850 and then doing a stain and then Triple mix (BLO, Turpentine, Beeswax) finish. I have read that they were done with various other things like pine tar etc... After reading that, maybe just a light clean with varsol and then the triple mix may be a better way. What would you do? I would really like to make that tiger stripe stand out a bit better, but I do NOT want to do something that is irreparable and bubba it in any way.

Ok. I got my Mosin and FN49 (FN49 pics to come later, but I can tell you it is next to MINT and I am not sure it has been fired since importation as there is a lot of cosmoline all over inside still!!)

I Haven't had time to do a cleaning yet so I will do a few before pictures now that the wife is out and my 3yr. old daughter is down for the count. Only enough time to do the Mosin right now.

Anyway, first off it is an unmolested 1917 Tula M91, not a New England Westinghouse as advertised, but still a nice bit of history and has definately been around!

It was either bought by the Fins or captured and altered to their standards. The stock has been converted to a two piece one, the sling swivels have been altered to the hanger version, and the receiver has the boxed SA stamped on it. Most of the metal has maybe 80% finish remaining except for near the muzzle which looks like it was scrapped in the direction of the barrel.

The bore looks good and has been counterbored. The bottom magazine latch doesn't match the serial on the barrel shank and the bolt serial has been x'ed out and the last four numbers on the barrel shank are stamped on the round bolt knob.

The rear sight retains the original arshini range numbers and the Fins added the metric version on the right side.

The original stock looks like it will clean up very nicely. The main portion has what will be some amazing tiger stripe in it. The butt stock has been sliced and a large section of the toe has been replaced way back when and it is stamped with AV3/22642 all inside of a box(on the main section). The slashed line is actually vertical but there isn't one available on my keyboard.

The Panshin (Picked it up earlier) fits on it perfectly and is in excellent condition making this one long assed, heavy, very ominous rifle!

I can't wait to get it all cleaned up and out to the range. I will try to post a range report when I get her out there.

Enjoy.

Ian

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You should do nothing to this rifle except oil the metal. If you must touch the wood clean it with Varsol and then apply a coat of Wood paste wax to protect it.
 
You should do nothing to this rifle except oil the metal. If you must touch the wood clean it with Varsol and then apply a coat of Wood paste wax to protect it.

No way, it looks long and bulky. He should cut back that wood and cut down the barrel and then drill and tap it for a weaver base. :p

Very nice piece
 
I forgot to add Smellie's historically significant comment that he made on the other posting that is getting burried:

A rifle from the Tul'ski (Tula) Imperial Peter the Great Ordnance Factory. Rifles were only marked that way for a few months.

The AV3###xx marking is Finnish and should be sourceable with a little work. There is no "V" in the Cyrillic (Russian) alphabet: they use "B" for that sound.

Likely one of the rifles which actually was in the Grand Duchy of Finland at the time of the Revolution, elsewise one captured from the Reds when they tried to force Finland into their execrable rule.

It would look just FINE on my rack!

A fascinating piece of history..... and YOU're the lucky guy who gets to clean her up and show her off!

Some people just get ALL the luck, eh?

Very Fine Old Toy!
 
And that Panshin! one of the rarest actually!
All those that were in Russia after the Reds took over were stripped of their hoods and converted. This is why I think this one never got out of Finland or was captured by the Austro-Hungarians in 1917.
PP.
 
And that Panshin! one of the rarest actually!
All those that were in Russia after the Reds took over were stripped of their hoods and converted. This is why I think this one never got out of Finland or was captured by the Austro-Hungarians in 1917.
PP.

The Panshin actually came from P&S Militaria and not with the rifle and cost almost as much! It is in excellent + condition and the bit of brown that you see in the pictures is actually cosmoline. You would never know it had been issued with three different rifles over the years (two x'ed out serials and one not). No SA markings, but a nice cherry to sit atop this beauty!

Ian
 
What you have is a 1917 Tula "Peter the Great" M91. Pretty rare actually. Do nothing with it except clean it and shoot it. I bet you will be pleasantly surprised ;)
 
It is an interesting rifle. Based upon the date, it could have been in use by either the White or Red Guard, during the Finnish Civil War of 1918. Therefore, it could have been used in the Finnish Civil War, the Winter War and the Continuation War.
 
Beautiful wood, rare and historically signifigant...wow, some real gems came out of that Wolverine sale. Lucky you.
 
Just a couple of updated cleaned-up pictures. I will update again with a range report at some point when I get her out. Got a new old stock Finnish green leather sling from her from a guy on ebay from Finland.

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Cheers,

Ian
 
Beautiful! I would leave the wood and metal, just wipe with some steel or bronze wool to remove any grease chunks, and then clean the bore.

Let us know how she shoots :).
 
Claven,

Yes, I know that. The chance of actually finding a real unmodified Dragoon is very unlikely. I more or less bought it for collector value and as a bonus, it fits on threre perfectly. I will have to pick up a clamp on, slip ring one some day as well to historically complete it. Finding an SA marked one will be a bit of a challenge though. I have a refurb 1926 "Ex-Dragoon" 91/30 in a laminate stock with a mint bore, but it has the hooded 91/30 front sight so I can't put it on there.

Thanks for the info though. I appreciate everything that people on here have to offer!

Cheers,

Ian
 
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