1920s Shotgun "Pistols" - how common are they?

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Just wondering if anyone here has seen or owns any of the old shotgun pistols, guns like the Ithaca Auto & Burglar or the H&R Handy Gun. I recently came across a 20 gauge Ithaca, the first one I have seen. A few pictures of it are attached below.

From the little bit of research that I've done, several companies - including Ithaca and H&R - began manufacturing short shotguns in the 1920s. Ithaca was up front about the purpose of the gun when they called it the "Auto & Burglar." Back when cars had running boards, car jacking had become quite a problem. Imagine the car jacker's surprise when the driver pulled one of these out from between the seats and pointed it towards the window.

The US Government soon did what it could to discourage manufacture of these guns by requiring registration and imposing a hefty fee for registration. As a result, many were destroyed or hidden away. Ithaca stopped manufacturing the double barreled Auto & Burglar in the early 1930s, but H&R continued to make the single barreled Handy Gun into the 1950s. Many (or most?) of the H&R guns came to Canada, which had laxer laws regarding ownership of these shotgun pistols. From the manufacturing information that I have found, H&R made about ten times as many units as did Ithaca, which makes the H&R more common and less expensive to buy today.

In Canada today, both of these models are in the same class as a restricted pistol. Anyway, I'm trying to learn more about these, so please correct or add to any the information included above. Also, are there many out there on this side of the border? They would make an interesting addition to the collection.



 
If you can find a copy of Swearingen's The World's Fighting Shotguns, you will find more information about these and other makes.
 
OK I'm in for one! Love it. Do you own this one pictured?
The pointer engraving is interesting and puzzling...should be a guy doing the "rock salt sprint".
Thanks for sharing,
Blair
 
i would love to get my hands on one of the auto burglar guns, i have always love the looks of sawn off doubles (expecialy after i seen the Mad Max series) :):D how much do they usualy sell for or does it change from seller to seller?
 
Yes, I'm the new owner. An H & R Handy Gun would go well with it.

have you fired your auto burglar? i know the first A , aka Flues (like yours, had that "saw" grip with the spur on top) wich was made from 1922-25 had 2.5" chambers, while the model B (1925-1933/end of production) had a 2.75" chamber.
 
No, I haven't fired it.

I really can't comment much on the prices as I am new to these. I recently did see a mint H&R Handy Gun for sale at $695. Someone else bought it while I was thinking about it. The Ithaca Auto & Burglar can go for a lot more than that.
 
the name Ithaca Auto & Burglar is so politically incorrect.....I love it!!!. I can just see the anti-gunners and polititions freaking out.

thats the coolest looking shotgun pistol I ever seen. you're very lucky
 
The H&R handy gun and the Ithaca Auto & Burglar are two completely different guns, the Auto Burglar is a side by side 20 ga 2.5'' chambers and the H&R Handy gun is a single barrel only.
The Ithaca is harder to find.
The Ithaca accept only 2.5'' shells light load Only.

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The H&R handy gun and the Ithaca Auto & Burglar are two completely different guns, the Auto Burglar is a side by side 20 ga 2.5'' chambers and the H&R Handy gun is a single barrel only.
The Ithaca is harder to find.
The Ithaca accept only 2.5'' shells light load Only.
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exept the later model (model B), it was chambered for 2.75" shells. it was the first model (model A/Flues mode with the grip that has that spur on top) that was only chambered for 2.5". and also based on what i found, they also made a number of these in 28ga but the 20ga was more popular.
 
"Light load" seems like an important thing to remember. I have some Kent Gamebore Traditional Game shells on the way. They are 2 1/2" with 1 oz #7 shot. I'm hoping that's light enough.

My last experience with a short shotgun involved firing heavy field loads in a pistol grip Remington 870 12 ga. Needless to say, the hand that held the pistol grip hurt for a few hours after. There is a proper technique that can minimize the pain.
 
I'm not 100% sure, but the Flues I have doesn't go that low at the back of the safety. My guess is not the same receiver. So not NR then. Again Not 100% sure as the Flues is at the smith
Clint
 
I'm not 100% sure, but the Flues I have doesn't go that low at the back of the safety. My guess is not the same receiver. So not NR then. Again Not 100% sure as the Flues is at the smith
Clint

Ah, damn. That would be the difference between a NR "long gun" (al la Mares Leg) and a restricted "purpose built pistol receiver" (loke the Rossi 12 ga Backpacker).

It would definately merit a little more digging though. Looks like a fun gun to take into the bush.
 
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