1942 Molot sniper
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Just about every milsurp dealer for the last few months.
Well, somehow I missed them????????
Thanks.
OK, now I know what you're talking about. Just never heard about the recent imports being described in that terminology.
I have one of those, it shoots better than I can. I find the high mounting of the PU scope difficult to master. Other than that, two thumbs up. I would reccomend them to anyone, if you can find one.
I've shot 4 of them now and all deserve a better shooter than myself.
Thanks.
OK, now I know what you're talking about. Just never heard about the recent imports being described in that terminology.
I have one of those, it shoots better than I can. I find the high mounting of the PU scope difficult to master. Other than that, two thumbs up. I would reccomend them to anyone, if you can find one.
I've shot 4 of them now and all deserve a better shooter than myself.
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FWIW, if you buy one and want to make CERTAIN the scope is not post-war, make sure you select one with a wartime dated scope. It will be refurbished, but real.
The cover is a genuine WW2 one I already had. There is no ready source of real ones, but lots of fakes on the 'bay.
The cover is a genuine WW2 one I already had. There is no ready source of real ones, but lots of fakes on the 'bay.
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I don't know if they are more desirable per say, but much rarer due to low production numbers.
Original refurbished M1891/30 Mosin Nagant snipers
If you want a genuine Mosin Nagant sniper you should get one soon. The few ones now for sale are most probably the last ones that will be available in Canada for a long time if ever.
This was told to me by one of the only 2 dealers/distributors that bid on these and brought these snipers into Canada. The rest went to the USA and any new original refurbished ones coming onto the market will be going there.
On another related issue, the authorities do not like the fact that these rifles are coming into Canada without serial numbers on the actions/receivers and want to stop any further imports. The CSSA is trying to fight this.
If you want a genuine Mosin Nagant sniper you should get one soon. The few ones now for sale are most probably the last ones that will be available in Canada for a long time if ever.
This was told to me by one of the only 2 dealers/distributors that bid on these and brought these snipers into Canada. The rest went to the USA and any new original refurbished ones coming onto the market will be going there.
On another related issue, the authorities do not like the fact that these rifles are coming into Canada without serial numbers on the actions/receivers and want to stop any further imports. The CSSA is trying to fight this.
Why, are they not bidding on any more? Might help sales if they listed them by year instead of " 91/30 sniper". I would buy another two at least if I could find a lightly refurbed version.
As for what the authorities think, I am dis-allowed the language needed to properly convey my feelings on the matter by the profanity filter. No mosin has serial # on the action, so that boat sailed 100 000 rifles ago.
The 2 lots recently brought into Canada were comparatively small bid lots at pricing that the US importers were not interested in. Now that the US importers know the quality and have seen how fast they are selling state side expect all future lots to go there.
One of the dealer/importer still has some very nice ones left even after they were picked over by the smaller dealers who buy from them for resale.
The fact about the serial # location not meeting the agency who allows import new guidelines will not change just because they used to be allowed.
One of the dealer/importer still has some very nice ones left even after they were picked over by the smaller dealers who buy from them for resale.
The fact about the serial # location not meeting the agency who allows import new guidelines will not change just because they used to be allowed.
None of the users of the mosin series serialed the recievers on a regular basis, with Fin examples being the most common.
In general, the rifles with the more desirable scopes (dated WW2 scopes) and the more desirable maker (Tula) were bought up early. Most of what you see left will be undated, potentially post-war, scopes on 1943 and 1944 Izhevsk rifles.
FWIW, the PU scope was manufactured in the Soviet Union until at least 1960 - and typically most post-war scopes are NOT marked with a date of manufacture. Most WW2 made examples were refurbished after the war and marked accordingly with a box and a slash or X through it, and sometimes the year of refurbishment. Some wartime scopes were not dated, but that was uncommon, and given how many of the Molot guns have undated scopes, it's safety to say a good many of those scopes are post-war. Legit military, but not WW2.
And another point, Tula only made PU variant snipers in 1943 and 1944. So if you find a PU Tula on a 1942 or 1945 receiver, it's a put-together. Period. Izhevsk only made, 275,250 sniper rifles and Tula is thought to have made only a small fraction of that many - they are considered MUCH rarer. Exact numbers of Tula made guns are not known though.
Finally, a LOT of the guns that came in (proportionately) have WW2 era Tokarev scopes on them. These would be legit scopes removed from SVT40 sniper rifles and installed on later (1943 and later) PU sniper rifles. A legit variant, though for some reason, a lot more common in the molot import than dated WW2 PU scopes. I can only assume the latter had a high(er) attrition rate over the years. You will also see a lot of the molot gun got new wood in the 1960's or later. Not many left at dealers with their original WW2 stocks, though some (like mine shown above) had WW2 wood, WW2 dated PU scopes and were Tula. Were I still looking, that is what I would look for in terms of retaining value.
FWIW, the PU scope was manufactured in the Soviet Union until at least 1960 - and typically most post-war scopes are NOT marked with a date of manufacture. Most WW2 made examples were refurbished after the war and marked accordingly with a box and a slash or X through it, and sometimes the year of refurbishment. Some wartime scopes were not dated, but that was uncommon, and given how many of the Molot guns have undated scopes, it's safety to say a good many of those scopes are post-war. Legit military, but not WW2.
And another point, Tula only made PU variant snipers in 1943 and 1944. So if you find a PU Tula on a 1942 or 1945 receiver, it's a put-together. Period. Izhevsk only made, 275,250 sniper rifles and Tula is thought to have made only a small fraction of that many - they are considered MUCH rarer. Exact numbers of Tula made guns are not known though.
Finally, a LOT of the guns that came in (proportionately) have WW2 era Tokarev scopes on them. These would be legit scopes removed from SVT40 sniper rifles and installed on later (1943 and later) PU sniper rifles. A legit variant, though for some reason, a lot more common in the molot import than dated WW2 PU scopes. I can only assume the latter had a high(er) attrition rate over the years. You will also see a lot of the molot gun got new wood in the 1960's or later. Not many left at dealers with their original WW2 stocks, though some (like mine shown above) had WW2 wood, WW2 dated PU scopes and were Tula. Were I still looking, that is what I would look for in terms of retaining value.
