2 30-30 questions.

[fingers284]

Never had a problem.

That should read "yet"....I and my old man witnessed a young hunter that had bled out in the bush, being drug out of the bush by his heals by local LEO. When the officer carried the rifle out of the bush it was plain to see that the magazine was destroyed and in pieces. A piece of shrapnel (wood or metal) from the explosion in that mag cut the dudes wrist....so emphatically again I will say "YET"

 

[yomomma]

That should read "yet"....I and my old man witnessed a young hunter that had bled out in the bush, being drug out of the bush by his heals by local LEO. When the officer carried the rifle out of the bush it was plain to see that the magazine was destroyed and in pieces. A piece of shrapnel (wood or metal) from the explosion in that mag cut the dudes wrist....so emphatically again I will say "YET"

Lots of factory round nose ammo available for the 30-30. I belive the original ammo was round nose.

Would I use pistol primers, probably not.

 

[iron cat]

That should read "yet"....I and my old man witnessed a young hunter that had bled out in the bush, being drug out of the bush by his heals by local LEO. When the officer carried the rifle out of the bush it was plain to see that the magazine was destroyed and in pieces. A piece of shrapnel (wood or metal) from the explosion in that mag cut the dudes wrist....so emphatically again I will say

I doubt very much- in fact I would bet that the rifle didn't blow up due to round nosed bullets.
There have been millions of 30/30 cartridges sold over the years with round nosed bullets .
This picture is from a 1970 C.I.L. catalog.
That is a nylon tipped 30/30 factory offering
Cat

 

[Valiant]

Lots of factory round nose ammo available for the 30-30. I belive the original ammo was round nose.

Would I use pistol primers, probably not.

Reason I use magnum pistol primers with cast bullets is with mixed brass the large rifle primers tend to protrude out of the pocket just a bit. With a tight headspaced rifle and shooting fast cowboy action style the rifle primers make one of my tighter guns just a little bit sticky that it slows me down a touch.

 

[Valiant]

That should read "yet"....I and my old man witnessed a young hunter that had bled out in the bush, being drug out of the bush by his heals by local LEO. When the officer carried the rifle out of the bush it was plain to see that the magazine was destroyed and in pieces. A piece of shrapnel (wood or metal) from the explosion in that mag cut the dudes wrist....so emphatically again I will say "YET"

Probably a more likely explanation is one of the LEO rounds hit the guys gun?

 

[yomomma]

Reason I use magnum pistol primers with cast bullets is with mixed brass the large rifle primers tend to protrude out of the pocket just a bit. With a tight headspaced rifle and shooting fast cowboy action style the rifle primers make one of my tighter guns just a little bit sticky that it slows me down a touch.

I use one of these, never had any protruding primers

 

[Raton57]

Never seen flat nose factory 30-30 ammo.

 

[iron cat]

Never seen flat nose factory 30-30 ammo.

Hornady Frontier 170 grain flat nosed is what I used at one time in my single shot 30/30 , it worked well while I was aiting for some Game Kings in the mail.
Cat

 

[dan belisle]

I load for volume, hundreds at a time, and it's an extra step.

You can seat and crimp in the same step, if you're set up that way. - dan

 

[savagefan]

I second the 160 FTX loaded with Leverevolution powder, at least for my 1957 Win 94.

 

[tactical lever]

That was one of my thoughts on this also. The reason I asked for input was because I have some round nose 180 grain but the crimp ring looks to be too far back towards the base to ensure proper feeding. I thank everyone for the input.
Gerald

As long as you crimp, you shouldn't have an issue with cannelure position. Maybe with a regular seating/crimp die it wouldn't be as secure, but I'd use the Lee Factory Crimp die. You can go light crimp or overboard and crush the bullet a little with it. It'll never move with the Lee tool.

 

[kevin g]

Get a seperate crimp die.
The Lee units work well.

This ^^^^

Never seen flat nose factory 30-30 ammo.

Winchester made it. Came in both 150 and 170 grainers....Silvertip Ammo

 

[28 gauge]

Never seen flat nose factory 30-30 ammo.

You must be quite young.At one time, that's all there were,flat nose .30-30 ammunition.No one would use pointed ammunition in a tube magazine Winchester or Marlin,until Hornady came out with their special pointed ammunition.

 

[Potashminer]

Never seen flat nose factory 30-30 ammo.

Now you can say that you saw a picture of some bullets made for 30-30 by Sierra that have flat noses - #2010. Picture below:

 

[kevin g]

The imperial 30-30 ammo had yellow and blue plastic tips on the factory bullets. IIRC...the color reflected the grain of the bullets.

 

[Canuck65]

Would it be would it be worthwhile loading180gr round nose bullets in a 30-30? Do bullets have to be crimped in a lever action tube magazine 30-30?

Round nose are fine. Yes, you do have to crimp in lever guns. 180s are great for big animals in tight bush. You can buy factory 170s for 30-30 - I can;t imagine the 180s are all that much "longer."

The crimp cannelure position is important for standard roll crimp dies - you may have feeding problems if they're loaded out too far.. On the other hand, they might feed just fine.

A Lee factory crimp die is the ticket. I'm not a huge fan of Lee stuff, but those FCDs are excellent for lever gun loading. You don't have to crimp at the cannelure.

 

[Mike Webb]

I don't usually crimp 30WCF loads but only put 5 rounds in the tube, then load one, meaning a max of 4 in the tube. I've satisfied myself that it is spring pressure that causes the bullets to set back. Your milage may vary.

Pretty sure recoil causes rounds in tube mag to have bullets pushed in. Especially if a full tube is loaded, a couple shots fired as in a day in the woods, next day unfired rounds are loaded again. After a few trips of this some bullets will be pushed back in cases due to inertia when rifle is fired.

 

[eco]

Never seen flat nose factory 30-30 ammo.

 

[broadhead67]

Don’t think it’s been mentioned yet but recoil is the reason I was always taught to crimp in a tube fed lever . More ammo in the tube becomes a force multiplier under heavy recoil . Compressed loads can get “exciting “ in a bolt , in a lever they get dangerous quickly .
I’ve read guys used to load spritzers by chambering the first and only loading one extra in the tube . Never interested me personally

 

[Mr.Rigpig]

Don’t think it’s been mentioned yet but recoil is the reason I was always taught to crimp in a tube fed lever . More ammo in the tube becomes a force multiplier under heavy recoil . Compressed loads can get “exciting “ in a bolt , in a lever they get dangerous quickly .
I’ve read guys used to load spritzers by chambering the first and only loading one extra in the tube . Never interested me personally

That works just fine, but same as most things in life, paying attention and a bit of common sense is required.