219 Wasp

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Well friend of mine got a rifle in 219 Wasp, he also got dies, which is good.

So to help him make brass I took a quick look at what I have in my collection of dies.

So starting with 30-30 once fired brass The process I have worked out is as follows

using a 7.62x39 full length die set off the shell holder I bump the shoulder back slightly. This step was added as I found the initial neck sizing was causing dimples in the shoulder.

Using a 6.8 SPC full length die set up normally neck down the case to 6.8mm, this works well to get the length right for the 219 Wasp.

then to help with the final forming I run the cases through a set of 22-250 dies, this forms part of the neck but not to the shoulder properly, but is a start.

I then trim the necks as they are way too long. Interesting that the old reloading manuals that I have show the max length based on the top of the rim and not the base.

Here is where I give them to my friend who is doing the final sizing and final trim before fireforming.

interesting little cartridge, and capable of some hot loads.
 
:)A number of years back I had a Ruger #1 in 22-250 that my Son couldn't live without. He was living in the B.C. central interior at the time and used it on 'Yotes' there. Then, from a gentleman locally, I replaced it with an old custom Winchester High Wall, in 219 Donaldson Wasp. The package also wears an era appropriate 10X J.UNERTL scope. In reloads, it 'loves' Hornady 50gr V-MAX, pushed with top end loads of IMR 4064:d.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
https://press.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/obsolete-data/219-donaldson-wasp.pdf

^^ dimensional diagram.

Great to see the innovative ways of dealing with the case forming.
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:confused:?? Question. I see in your post, the case length listed by Hornady is 1.813". In my copy of Twenty-Two Caliber Varmint Rifles, the case length listed is 1.75".:confused:
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Basically, had a second check of dimensions from both my sources. It 'almost' looks like the length dimension/thickness of the base/rim 'may' not have been included in the base to shoulder, base to neck base and the case length in the Twenty-Two caliber Varmint Rifles book.:confused::confused: Yet, the drawing and dimension lines shown in the book indicate that it is.:confused:
 
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woodchopper said:
Well friend of mine got a rifle in 219 Wasp, he also got dies, which is good.

So to help him make brass I took a quick look at what I have in my collection of dies.

So starting with 30-30 once fired brass The process I have worked out is as follows

using a 7.62x39 full length die set off the shell holder I bump the shoulder back slightly. This step was added as I found the initial neck sizing was causing dimples in the shoulder.

Using a 6.8 SPC full length die set up normally neck down the case to 6.8mm, this works well to get the length right for the 219 Wasp.

then to help with the final forming I run the cases through a set of 22-250 dies, this forms part of the neck but not to the shoulder properly, but is a start.

I then trim the necks as they are way too long. Interesting that the old reloading manuals that I have show the max length based on the top of the rim and not the base.

Here is where I give them to my friend who is doing the final sizing and final trim before fireforming.

interesting little cartridge, and capable of some hot loads.
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See the UPDATE in my post #6.
 
Exactly, and that was the reason for my post. I was giving woodchopper that spec.

I expect headspacing off the rim is why the old spec was set where it was, but times have changed, and rim thickness is more uniform likely too.

Way easier to measure with the modern spec.
 
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John Y Cannuck said:
Exactly, and that was the reason for my post. I was giving woodchopper that spec.

I expect headspacing off the rim is why the old spec was set where it was, but times have changed, and rim thickness is more uniform likely too.

Way easier to measure with the modern spec.
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Thanks for the input guy.:) Much appreciated. However, when I first got my rifle, I started accumulating 30-30 brass with the intent of making up my own supply of 219 Donaldson Wasp brass. Then, I was given info on an outfit in the US that makes custom brass, DKT Inc. I contacted them and ended up acquiring a 'decent' supply. The total length measurement of the brass, bottem of the base to the case mouth, is the same as I mentioned as listed in my old book Twenty-Two Caliber Varmint Rifles, 1.75". That book was the first data info I had for the 219 DW. And, with the matching the case measurements of the custom brass I received from DKT Inc, 1.75" is what I went with. With the accuracy I'm getting, specifically with the Hornady 50gr V-MAX:d:d I'll;) leave 'things' as they are.
Correction :redface:. In reality, the new cases, unused measure out @ 1.723". Again:redface:, sorry about that.
 
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John Y Cannuck said:
Exactly, and that was the reason for my post. I was giving woodchopper that spec.

I expect headspacing off the rim is why the old spec was set where it was, but times have changed, and rim thickness is more uniform likely too.

Way easier to measure with the modern spec.
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yes we noticed the drawing dimension differences after trimming up the first 20 cases.

I'm happy to see that it was not just me that was confused.
 
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