22 Hornet

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Hello everyone. I'm thinking of adding a 22 hornet to my collection. Currently have two 22 lr ( Cz american and custom 10/22) and a 22 magnum( custom 10/22 mag) Anyone out there with any comments on this caliber, good or bad. I seem to like the smaller cartridges. Will be reloading in future. Even considering the .223

Thanks
 
The .22 Hornet is a dandy varmint round that's readily reloadable. Brass and ammo is easy enough to come by but you may have to have it ordered. You won't like find it in small places, but I seem to recall seeing it in Crappy Tire. It's an old cartridge that refuses to die. Factory ammo usually uses a .224" bullet, but .223" bullets work too.
 
I have 2 Hornets, a Ruger 77/22 with 20" barrel and a CZ 527 with a 23.6". I have shot the Ruger far more than the CZ, but both are good rifles. You might also want to consider the Browning A-bolt micro medallion, from everything I have read it is a very good rifle as well.

The pros for the Hornet are its' increased performance in the field. I went to it after being unsatisfied with the performance of my 22lr on gophers, in terms of range, wind drift and energy. I found with the 22lr my max range was about 60yards, and then only in absolutley calm wind, and often when I did connect with gophers, they simply ran down the hole to linger. When I first tried my Ruger Hornet with Remington and Winchester factory HP's I found that I could easily hit out to 125-150 yards, and it was easy to dope the wind, as it shot much more consistently than my 22. The results on gophers are devastating. It is very rare that one survives the inital impact of the bullet. You should be able to get factory ammo for it at TNT in Regina, or you can travel to Saskatoon and pick it up at Wholesalesports at a reasonable price. If you handload then you will really get the maximum performance from this round, especially when using bullets like the 40gr Nos BT or Hornady 40 Gr V-Max. I have used these and Rem bulk 50 gr HP, and they extend the range to 175 to 200 yards. The two best powders I have used are Hogdgon Lil Gun and IMR 4227. A pound of powder will give you about 500 rounds, and if you buy bullets in bulk pack you can save quite a bit. By reloading I can cut the cost to about 1/3 the price of factory ammo, and have a much more accurate load as well. This is nearly on par with 17 HMR ammo as far as cost goes, but of course you have to factor in the time for loading ammo as well.

As far as rifles go, the Ruger has a two piece bolt that may need to be shimmed before you acheive the best accuracy. I did that with mine, using a very thin stainless steel washer. I also free floated the barrel. The trigger could be better, but there are after market triggers and sears available, the one on my rifle isn't all that bad, so I haven't changed it. It currently has a Bushnell Sportsman 4-12x scope, which is about as much power as you need for this cartridge. I tried a Tasco 6-24x Varmint, but the optics were low quality, and gave lots of mirage on hot prarie days. I also found the objective lens hard to adjust quickly, so I switched back to the Bushnell.

The CZ is also a good rifle, and features a very crisp single set trigger. I have not noticed that this gives it much of an increase in accuracy over the Ruger. The magazine lips are quite sharp, and tend to score the brass. I polished them a little with a Dremel tool, and this "de-fanged" them somewhat. The accuracy of this rifle so far has been a little erratic, but I haven't had a chance to shoot it as much as the Ruger. It does group very well with the Remington HP load, but I haven't hit on a good handload yet.

As far as handloading goes, I use Lee Collet neck size only dies, and found them to be ok. They can give some problems if the two piece die seizes together, but being careful, and cleaning and lubing the two halves can eliminate that problem. I find Winchester brass better than the Remington stuff. Remington factory loads have sometimes blown the primer pockets on the initial firing. As well I have had one case head separtion with the Rem stuff, but it is easy to remove the front part of the casing from the chamber with a .38 caliber bore brush.

I plan to get the Ruger re-chambered to 22 K-Hornet over the winter. The very sloping design of the Hornet, and the fact that it headspaces on the rim can cause some innaccuracy. The K-Hornet eliminates this problem, and allows the round to headspace on the shoulder, to allow greater consistancy ( as well as incresing powder capacity by about 1 gr). Just keep in mind that the 22 Hornet is not a 223, and you won't be disappointed.
 
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Thank you very much for the detailed awnser dragoon7214. I was pumped about the 22 hornet before I wrote the post, now I'm really pumped. I was thinking of getting a ruger single shot #1 or breaking the bank a little and going with the Anchultz 1730 heavy barrel model. I'v been to The Sportsman in Medicine Hat and the fellow's that work there seem really helpful. That is where I will be purchasing the rifle from since I will be moving to Medicine Hat in the summer or fall of 2006. Is it easy to find areas to gopher hunt in that city? Is there a rifle range in town?
Thanks again for everyone that has answered
Can't wait to get one someday.
 
Try 35 grn v max's for gophers, I can get them over 3000 fps in my Brno 465, with .5"groups. The worst thing about loading hornets are they are very small and akward to load if you have big hands. I solved this by loading them on my Dillon 550.

I had a Lee deluxe set of dies for the hornet, I couldn't get rid of them fast enough. The collet neck sizer wouldn't size the necks enough to hold some of the bullets, some would slip into the cases just from being bounced around in the truck. Great way to blow up a gun. The "dead length seater" crushed a least one case out of 8 or 9. All problems were solved by buying a set of Forester hornet dies.

And don't buy a Ruger bolt action hornet, they are the least accurate gun you can buy in .22 hornet, and need a lot of fixing to get to shoot decent.
 
I had a Ruger bolt action 77/22 Magnum..the one with the target gray barrel and laminated stock. It was a nice rifle but didn't shoot as well as you would have wanted after paying that much for it. Has anyone had experience with the single shot hornet Ruger #1?
 
Bull's-Eye said:
I had a Ruger bolt action 77/22 Magnum..the one with the target gray barrel and laminated stock. It was a nice rifle but didn't shoot as well as you would have wanted after paying that much for it. Has anyone had experience with the single shot hornet Ruger #1?

I sold a Ruger #3 in .22 Hornet to a friend who uses it as his primary gopher slayer. He had to fiddle around with the loads to get it to produce the best accuracy but, in all fairness, it'll shoot 1/2 inch groups when loaded right and is positively deadly on the little varmints. As I recall, he mainly shoots 35 grain V-max's and neck-sizes only.

My Hornet is an older Brno and it likes W296 with anything between 35 and 45 grains. I use pistol primers instead of rifle primers and find that this (together with neck-sizing) produces the best accuracy.
 
Now, I really like what you guys are saying about the hornet. However, I already own a 10/22 Magnum that puts a good hurting on gophers out to 125yds. Is the hornet too similar to the 22 magnum to add to my collection or is it a night and day difference? Would I benefit more form the .223? Keep in mind that all I would really want the caliber for is to shoot gophers and plink for fun.
 
Bull's-Eye said:
Now, I really like what you guys are saying about the hornet. However, I already own a 10/22 Magnum that puts a good hurting on gophers out to 125yds. Is the hornet too similar to the 22 magnum to add to my collection or is it a night and day difference? Would I benefit more form the .223? Keep in mind that all I would really want the caliber for is to shoot gophers and plink for fun.

You can reload the Hornet, so I think you have more control over the final product. Plus, I know for a fact that my Hornet can take out a gopher-sized target very consistently at distances past 200 yards. :) That's OK with me.

Plus, it seems to get a lot of "loft" when it strikes the little varmints.
 
Bullseye,

the Hornet definitely will give you an advantage over the 22 WMR. I like the 22 Magnum as well, but the Hornet offers more range, and more power. I also have an Anschutz in .222 that I will be using this spring.

Their is a range in Medicine Hat, costs $40 to join, and is located a short drive out of the city. Has facility for up to 300 yards. You may want to check rifle prices at Wholesalesports, Russels (Calgary), and SIR (Winnipeg). They all do mailorder, and have both Rugers, the CZ, and Browning A-Bolt, as well as the Savage model 40, listed in their catalogs. Also check on the prices of Hornet ammo in each of those catalogs, and I think that you will find it substantially cheaper than what you can find it for here in Medicine Hat. I usually go to the Wholeaslesports outlet in Lethbridge to stock up on ammo, it's only about an hour and a half down the road.

As for places to shoot gophers, just knock on most any farmers door, and they will be glad to let you. The area between the the trans canada, and the southern boundary of the Base usually has lots. Just check around.

Buckbrush,

I know what you mean about the Lee Collet dies, it took me a while to get the hang of them to begin with. It requires a LOT of pressure to size the necks, but once done it works great. I also use the factory crimp die, and that helps to keep the bullets in place. Worst experince I had loading was with the Speer 33 gr HP, just about impossible to seat (and I have tiny little fingers).

And the Ruger 77/22 does require some tweaking to get it shooting, but today most guns do.
 
Beautiful. Thanks everyone. I have one more question. If I buy this caliber, will it be sticking around for a while? Don't want the 5mm remington rimfire incident.
 
The Hornet has been around forever (evolved from an old black powder cartridge - 22WCF I think) and is recently enjoying a bit of a revival. It is known as the first "varmint" cartridge. There are plenty of options in factory ammo and with reloading the sky's the limit.

I have recently purchased one of the new Savage model 40 Varmint's in .22 hornet and it is a sweet little gun. While it is not up to my accuracy standards yet it has tremendous potential. I am planning on doing testing as I accurize this rifle and it is going to end up chambered in .22K hornet.

Chris Samoila
Ten-X Precision Gun Works
 
I guess I will have to be different from everybody else and say that I would not recommend a Hornet. I found the Hornet to be bit of a pain - it was a hassle to reload: the tiny case always bridged the tumbling media, collapsed necks occured a lot more frequently then with my other .22 calibers, and frankly I found the caliber very finicky to reload. You really need to weigh each charge of powder as slight variations led to mixed accuracy. I didn't like the slight tapered cases and the fact that it was rimmed. It just was not, in my opinion, a user friendly cartridge. If you want a .22 Hornet type performance with room to go fast get a .221 Rem Fireball. Charges are very similiar to the Hornet but you get the advantage of a rimless case and nice strong shoulders. Brass lasts a lot longer and you can you use better bullets - Hornet bullets are very rounded and have poorer BCs. I am not saying that the Hornet is a bad caliber - by all means if you want one, try it. I just didn't have as much fun with it as I do with my .221 Rem Fireball.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Winchester first loaded the 22 Hornet as a commercial cartridge in 1930, even before they chambered rifles for it. 75 years and still going. The Hornet remains a very popular cartridge in Europe as well, due too it's relatively mild report. Frequently used in Africa as a "camp" gun, to collect smaller antelope and other game species for the pot ! Kills well and doesn't disrupt the whole countryside with it's noise.
 
Just out of curiosity, how does it compare with a .222? Both are a relatively small cartridge. Is the .222 still popular and is ammo, rifles and reloading supplies readily available for this caliber?
 
Does anyone have experience with the Browning A-Bolt in 22 hornet? I was on their website and they look really nice at a good price. I wonder if you can get the boss system put on such a small caliber? Are they heavy barreled?
 
The .222 has a very fine reputation for accuracy, and has more power and range than the Hornet. It is also louder, but the Hornet isn't exactly silent either, compared to a .22 LR. The .222 has waned in popularity, but you can still find new rifles chambered for it, like the Rem 700, and Tikka T-3 (I personally would not buy either becasue of their poor craftsmanship). It can aslo be found in very economical used rifles like the Savage 340 (marketed in Canada by CIL in the 60's and 70's) and the old Rem 788. Accuracy in these rifles can be varied, bith from the ammount of use they may have seen, and their respective designs. CIL also imported some Anschutz built rifles, however these are hard to find. I have an Anschutz .222 and used to own a Savage 340D, and quite like the 222. Currently all three major ammo manufacturers produce ammo for it, with the standard load of a 50gr SP. I checked Canadian Tire here in Med Hat, and Winchester ammo is available. As far as handloading goes, it is an easier proposition than the Hornet. Brass is available in bulk from the major mailorder sporting goods stores in Canada.

I can't speak from any experience on the Browning A-Bolt Hornet, but I have been very intersted in it for a while. The barrel is 22" as opposed to 20" on the rest of the Micro Medallion line, and is of a sporter contour, so not a heavy weight. It has a recessed crown, and is not available with the BOSS. I don't really think that the BOSS is needed on this caliber, as it is recoilless, and the muzzlebrake will only make it louder. As far as improving accuracy, I have a friend who has one on his 30-06, and it seems to be a waste of time. He spends more time and ammo trying to shrink his groups, and it seems to shift the zero between every group.
 
Dragoon 7214, I also own an Anschutz 222. What load do you use in yours. I had a 722 Remington once that was the most accurate rifle I ever owned. It had a 10 power Leupold mounted on it. In a weaker moment I sold it. It was a one holer with 23.5 gr of BLC2 and a 50gr Hornady SX. I am currently looking for a load for the Anschutz. Regards Gerald
 
Not to discourage you but I too have had issues about loading the hornet. The case is truly a classic and a great part of shooting's history. not a rough and tumble blaster. Lots of fun though.

The obvious is the 223 which can be loaded up or down as you see fit, next would be the 222 (I have owned a quite a few and they have all shot wonderfully) which was the best BR cartridge around until the PPC came, then the 221 Fireball. Saved from obscurity by Rem offering a 'classic' rifle not too long ago. I would bet the the Fireball dies long before the Hornet does.

Some have improved the hornet with excellent results so that is another option.

Gerald, have a look at Benchmark, or the traditionally excellent H322. Both will give superb performance in your 222. The Vmax bullets are also match accurate. I use to light them with CCI BR4 and would recommend this primer again.

Jerry
 
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