.22 Rimfire Galting Gun

ILLEGAL! It uses a trigger actuator (i.e. crank). If you converted it to only fire once per pull of the trigger (with maybe some type of motorized crank to rotate/load the next round), then it'd be legal. Your finger is the only thing that can pull the trigger and cause it to fire. No turning, fondling, etc.
 
You obviously do not understand how a Gatling gun works. It has no trigger. The crank rotates the barrels and the internal workings load, fire and eject the rounds.

The gun would work if you rotated the barrels by hand, by the crank or by an electric motor.

Electric Gatling guns have been deemed to be machine guns because they do have a "trigger" / actuating button. The hand cranked version cannot be a machine gun under CDN law cause it has no trigger. It can fire a single round or many depending on how much and how fast the crank is rotated.
 
I still don't believe it's legal. The crank causes it to fire, it is not a trigger, then the crank becomes an actuator to firing.

I'd like to see an FRT# for one please.
 
I'd like to see an FRT# for one please
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there would only be an FRT# if someone had built one and had it registered and verified. Just because there isn't an FRT# doesn't make it illegal.

However, I highly doubt that these would be legal in Kanucistan... bloody lieberals :evil:
 
Sorry guys, but it's illegal. I too concidered the classic Gatling to be nothing more than a hi-cap manually repeating firearm. The tech guys at the CFC and RCMP hold otherwise. Their contention is that in the absence of a seperate trigger, the crank serves as the trigger. One continuous application of pressure results in more than one discharge.

Now if you want to build one with an interuping trigger, like on the classic pump shotguns, it ought to be kosher.
 
At one time the Gatling was considered to be a manually operated repeating firearm. It is now listed in the FaRT as prohibited, as described by Canuck223. (Along with the Gardiner, and no doubt all other similar 19th century guns). It would seem that this is another case of prohibition by bureaucratic interpretation, rather than legislation or OIC. I am unaware of any privately owned original Gatlings in Canada. I was told by a firearms officer that he knew of at least one full sized reproduction in the country. The status of any private Gatlings in the country would be interesting; the cut-off date for grandfathering machineguns was 1978, and this reclassification occured after that. Have never heard of one of these being confiscated. Given the substantial value of either an original or reproduction, it would certainly have hit the news if a confiscation had occurred.
 
I am unaware of any privately owned original Gatlings in Canada. I was told by a firearms officer that he knew of at least one full sized reproduction in the country. The status of any private Gatlings in the country would be interesting
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I know a guy that has one, its sitting in his basement. But I don't know its operational or not.

Given the substantial value of either an original or reproduction, it would certainly have hit the news if a confiscation had occurred.
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Value? If one had been confiscated we would have heard all about the evil full-auto sniper assualt cannon magine gun that the brave brown shirts took "off the streets". :roll:
 
So in other words, if a crank mechanism was reworked in such a way that it needed to be pulled back and forth (push, bang, pull, bang), instead of continuously forward, it <should> survive RCMP scrutiny ?
 
as long as it directly worked the sear/hammer, and not work a seperate trigger, probably. It'd be best if you push it forward, bang, pull it back and push it forward again, bang.
 
The funny thing is that if you <strictly> follow the wording of the law, shotguns should be classed as prohib/full-auto since they fire more than one <projectile> with a single pull of the trigger, no mention of cartridges.
 
Too bad I'm not a semi-retired lawyer with a bit of time on his hands and enough "disposable income" to take the Govt to court, I sense a real challenge to the current full-auto prohibitions on the angle of the principle "equality under the law" ...
 
RobSmith said:
So in other words, if a crank mechanism was reworked in such a way that it needed to be pulled back and forth (push, bang, pull, bang), instead of continuously forward, it <should> survive RCMP scrutiny ?
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It need not be that clumsy. Try to imagine the trigger group on the old Ithaca or Model 12's. If you held the trigger down and continued to cycle the action, it would fire as soon as it came into battery.

If you could design a Gatling style gun and seperate crank from the firing system, so that a seperate trigger needed to be held down as the crank is advanced, it ought to be legal.
 
Canuck223 said:
If you could design a Gatling style gun and seperate crank from the firing system, so that a seperate trigger needed to be held down as the crank is advanced, it ought to be legal.
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Possibly, but then again that would sail <dangerously> close to a firearm "that is capable of, or assembled or designed and manufactured with the capability of, discharging projectiles in rapid succession during one pressure of the trigger". See my comments earlier about <all> shotguns fitting this definitions quite well ... :shock:
 
RobSmith said:
Canuck223 said:
If you could design a Gatling style gun and seperate crank from the firing system, so that a seperate trigger needed to be held down as the crank is advanced, it ought to be legal.
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Possibly, but then again that would sail <dangerously> close to a firearm "that is capable of, or assembled or designed and manufactured with the capability of, discharging projectiles in rapid succession during one pressure of the trigger". See my comments earlier about <all> shotguns fitting this definitions quite well ... :shock:
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Sorry the Gatling crank DOES NOT physically mod the trigger in any way in fact it only allows 1 shot per RPM which is the same as your own hand does in semiauto.. BUT the gatling crank can actuate the trigger faster than you can by hand
(up to 800RPM) which makes it a prohibited device that is based on trigger actuating not on physicaly modifying of the trigger for a F/A.


I would ask the CFC that you plan on making a FUN gun in .22 and that you want some advice on how to proceed. Just a thought! :?
 
Canuck223 said:
RobSmith said:
So in other words, if a crank mechanism was reworked in such a way that it needed to be pulled back and forth (push, bang, pull, bang), instead of continuously forward, it <should> survive RCMP scrutiny ?
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It need not be that clumsy. Try to imagine the trigger group on the old Ithaca or Model 12's. If you held the trigger down and continued to cycle the action, it would fire as soon as it came into battery.

If you could design a Gatling style gun and seperate crank from the firing system, so that a seperate trigger needed to be held down as the crank is advanced, it ought to be legal.
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Wouldn't that be the same as fanning a single action revolver?
 
Dalton Bros. said:
Canuck223 said:
RobSmith said:
So in other words, if a crank mechanism was reworked in such a way that it needed to be pulled back and forth (push, bang, pull, bang), instead of continuously forward, it <should> survive RCMP scrutiny ?
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It need not be that clumsy. Try to imagine the trigger group on the old Ithaca or Model 12's. If you held the trigger down and continued to cycle the action, it would fire as soon as it came into battery.

If you could design a Gatling style gun and seperate crank from the firing system, so that a seperate trigger needed to be held down as the crank is advanced, it ought to be legal.
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Wouldn't that be the same as fanning a single action revolver?
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That's an Excellent analogy!

Think of it this way, if your finger is holding the trigger, and your crank is stationary, it will fire one shot (if aligned). With your finger off the trigger, it doesn't fire at all. If you are not holding the trigger, turning the crank simply cycles the action.
 
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