223 breaks and Compensators on .22lr rifles

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Hi everyone,

Would there be any issue with mounting a break or compensator designed for .223 on a .22lr rifle assuming matching threading? Would the break or Compensator perform with the slower weaker .22lr round?

The reason I ask is that I've heard some rather positive reviews of sound dampening abilities of the PWS Compensator, which is advertised as being "Designed for Short Barrel AR Systems", and I wondered if one would be effective on .22lr.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Cal.
 
I thought I read somewhere that 22 don't have the velocity or gasses behind them to make brakes/comps work on them or at least effectively?

I run a couple but I'll be the first to admit it purely esthetics on my part.

I'll do some reading tomorrow at work to see if I can find some more info, kinda interested now that you've brought this up. Also interested to see why I haven't wondered this before.
 
Brakes do have a marginal effect with rimfire rifles... but it is marginal... at high magnification it is noticeable. I have braked dozens of rifles, but my primary purpose is aesthetics, followed by protecting the crown and finally movement. When shooting short barrels (less radius from the fulcrum) at high magnification I can stay on target better for quicker follow up shots... but the difference is small and is certainly not something that most would spend their time and money on.... I do for the above noted reasons.

As far as "sound dampening" qualities go... I am unfamiliar with the product you are referencing... but if it falls into the "silencing" arena, then I would be careful about how it complies with Canada's laws regarding silencers & shrouds... as with most gun related legislation it utilizes little common sense.
 
hoytcanon said:
As far as "sound dampening" qualities go... I am unfamiliar with the product you are referencing... but if it falls into the "silencing" arena, then I would be careful about how it complies with Canada's laws regarding silencers & shrouds... as with most gun related legislation it utilizes little common sense.
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The PWS Compensator is on the side of the law. It's stocked by Questar and a few other's perhaps. It has been discussed in the black rifle forum when discussing it's ability to reduce the noise and concussion of a 7.5" AR. So the rumor goes that PWS's initial design for the PWS Compensator had been classified as a suppressor, but they made some design modifications to comply with legislation.

My main point of interest here would be the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of it's sound softening abilities on a .22lr.

Thanks,
Cal.
 
you should pick one up and test it and let us all know, as i dont think this been tested here before.

i do recall seeing a similar item on the market last year just reversed, it was a comp that actually intesified the 223 as is barked out the rounds.
it was meant to help scare the bejesus out of people in a gun fight.

i believe it was called aptly a 'loud'ner'
 
PWS-CQB-223

^this one?

It's 1/2x28 or I'd buy one and try it. I think that's a common thread though......I think ruger SR22's come with that?
 
Well I installed an ALG single chamber brake on my 10/22 w/ SR-22 bbl and Troy T-22 chassis. The brake is similar to the loudener but has a port at 12 o'clock. I previously had an A2 FH and found I had to pull the rifle into my shoulder to stay on target for double taps or just blazing mags. Recoil is of course minimal but just enough to cause slight muzzle flip. The ALG brake however keeps the muzzle on target with no pressure on the forend. I can dump mags rapid fire with my open palm supporting the forend while the sights float around center of mass of the target. I'd say that yes, brakes can help a .22lr. Go for something drastic for best effect. A mild compensator won't do much. Its also not much louder. I figured it would have a good crack to it but its quieter than an 8" with no muzzle device.
 
calvados.boulard said:
Hi everyone,

Would there be any issue with mounting a break or compensator designed for .223 on a .22lr rifle assuming matching threading? Would the break or Compensator perform with the slower weaker .22lr round?

The reason I ask is that I've heard some rather positive reviews of sound dampening abilities of the PWS Compensator, which is advertised as being "Designed for Short Barrel AR Systems", and I wondered if one would be effective on .22lr.

Thoughts?
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Here's a thought for you. As soon as you add a device for the purpose of reducing sound you have defacto created a prohibited device. The law states, "any device designed or intended ....."

Doesn't matter one bit if it was not designed to reduce noise, you have added it with the intention to reduce noise which makes it into a prohibited device. Adding a soda bottle or a potato to the end of a firearm with the intention to reduce noise converts those items into prohibited devices as well.
 
It deflects the noise forward for what I know. Thus the sound is precived as less. I think this os the grey area that the manufacturs work with. It isnt reducing the noise, its directing it forward.
I could be totally wrong though.
Here is a question, the longer the barrel, the less noise. So is a longer barrel then a prohibited devise. Or does it have to be an add on to the barrel? If so, couldnt the gun manufacturs make a barrel with a suppressor attached that doesnt come off?
 
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Suputin said:
Here's a thought for you. As soon as you add a device for the purpose of reducing sound you have defacto created a prohibited device. The law states, "any device designed or intended ....."

Doesn't matter one bit if it was not designed to reduce noise, you have added it with the intention to reduce noise which makes it into a prohibited device. Adding a soda bottle or a potato to the end of a firearm with the intention to reduce noise converts those items into prohibited devices as well.
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If I'm understanding your post correctly, you are referring to the intent behind adding such a device. I assume that since a site sponsor is selling this item openly that it is not a prohibited item.

Thanks,
Cal.
 
3M, foam ear plugs dampen the noise...what about them? :) I'm considering an AGW linear brake for my FV-SR, but mostly for aesthetic reasons. If it makes the perceived "report" less to my tender ears, all the better. Not really expecting it to though.

I ran a BATTLECOMP 1.0 on my .223 last summer, made that gun impossible to be around unless your ears were VERY well protected. Shot a groundhog with it while laying prone next to a barn one day, and the foam plugs did pretty much nothing to deaden the concussive force of the round going off. I thought it sent the plug into my ear, and through my ear drum...ouch! That thing was meant to fight muzzle climb and it did that well at least. I have no real affection for them though, and wouldn't be considering one for my .22 if I didn't dislike that threaded knob at the end of the Savage barrel so much.
 
calvados.boulard said:
If I'm understanding your post correctly, you are referring to the intent behind adding such a device. I assume that since a site sponsor is selling this item openly that it is not a prohibited item.

Thanks,
Cal.
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PWS comps are not suppressors and do not reduce muzzle report, nor were they designed to reduce muzzle report. It is PERCEIVED to be less report for the shooter when compared to other comps/flash hiders. Buy it use it and move along. For a rimfire it won't do anything for you other than protect the muzzle and add aesthetic appeal. On an AR they're fantastic for reducing muzzle flip and suppressing FLASH.

TDC
 
little_airwolf said:
It deflects the noise forward for what I know. Thus the sound is precived as less. I think this os the grey area that the manufacturs work with. It isnt reducing the noise, its directing it forward.
I could be totally wrong though.
Here is a question, the longer the barrel, the less noise. So is a longer barrel then a prohibited devise. Or does it have to be an add on to the barrel? If so, couldnt the gun manufacturs make a barrel with a suppressor attached that doesnt come off?
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Longer barrels may reduce noise but they are neither designed nor intended to reduce noise thus they cannot be classed as a prohib device.
 
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