.22LR accuracy at 100 Yards 10/22 vs Savage Mrkii

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Hey all,

I am debating buying a savage mrk2 with the bulled barrel as a designated 100yard target gun and keeping my basic 10/22 for just close range plinking with the red dot. Do you think that I will find a notice difference in my groupings using the savage over the 10/22 at 100 yards? What type of groupings should I be expecting to see out of the two of them?

I just started to shoot my 10/22 (basic setup no trigger mods and standard barrel) at 100 yards with a 5x15x40 scope and a bipod and was not pleased with my results at all. Now I know that a huge portion of the error was on my behalf considering it was my first time shooting 100 yards and I know that human error was very large however I am just wondering what everyone else is getting in terms of their grouping.

I was shooting cheap remington golden bullet bulk .22LR ammo however next time I want to try some better stuff like CCI loads.

Thanks
 
Regardless what rifle you are using, wind plays a very major role in 22 rimfire shooting at 100 yards.
And I don't mean wind as we usually think of wind. I mean if you can feel on your cheek that a cross breeze exists, the bullets will hit all over the target.
For this reason, I strongly advise to do your accuracy testing at 50 yards, with a scope on your rifle that has no parallax at fifty yards.
 
H4831 said:
Regardless what rifle you are using, wind plays a very major role in 22 rimfire shooting at 100 yards.
And I don't mean wind as we usually think of wind. I mean if you can feel on your cheek that a cross breeze exists, the bullets will hit all over the target.
For this reason, I strongly advise to do your accuracy testing at 50 yards, with a scope on your rifle that has no parallax at fifty yards.
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If I want to achive good groups at 100 yards should I then consider a different caliber like the .17hmr? Will this give by far better results?
 
Okay...take from this what you will, 'cause neither of my examples are exactly what you're comparing.
My sons each have the Marlin XT-22VR with the bull barrel.
Not exactly your Savage...but pretty close. At 100m with RWS Target rounds they will both shoot 1MOA consistently on a calm day. And as H4831 says...even a 5km wind at full value will affect the groups.
I also have the Mossberg Tactical...again, not exactly, but very close to your 10-22 in performance. At 50m it is dead nuts accurate. But past 75m (and research will tell you this is true for the 10-22 as well) things begin to go downhill. The Marlins and the Mossberg group very close at 50m...at 100m however the semi auto is doing 2-3" groups verses the 1" of the Marlins.
Same as you, I use the semi auto for fun.
 
I regularly shoot golf balls and sidewalk chalk at 100yds with my BRNO 2E on calm days, if it is windy it makes it very hard to do but it is possible.
 
I have yet to see an semi auto out shoot a bolt action at 100y+
Maybe one day, but IMO even with a good shooter, bolt action is the way to go.
To put it another way, just think about how many hunting rifles are semi auto?
 
hmmmm sidewalk chalk~that would be fun! As for the 100 yard shooting with a .22lr~I can see the bullet (subsonic ammo) through my scope on a sunny day anywhere from about 75 yards and beyond. To me, it's not that fun to shoot a .22lr that far since the results are so "conditions-dependent." To me, that's where centerfire shooting comes into play.

An HMR is a more entertaining round to shoot at 100 yards, and even a mediocre shooter like me can get MOA/sub-MOA results most of the time. Most of my shooting is outdoors, in a field, from a half-assed shooting bench..so take this with a grain of salt. Having said that, I HAVE spent a fair amount of time shooting on 100 yard and 100 meter (110 yard) ranges and can say with some certainty...that lots of people think 100 yards is a shorter distance than it really is! lol I've had lots of guys sit down beside me with open sights on a 100 yard range and say to me "I'll NEVER see the bullet holes from here!?!" Anyhow, buying a .22lr (in my opinion) as a 100 yard gun is a poor choice. Fun to see what you can make it do at that distance, but there are better choices if you want consistent results. I've been chastised for similar comments in the past, but I'm feeling saucy today. : )

Oh yeah...and to the actual question...bolt action all the way. My 10/22 couldn't hit a coffee can reliably @ 100 yards regardless of wind conditions.
 
For 100 yard shooting, the Savage will beat the 10/22 hands down. Something like a CZ 452 will beat the savage. With my Savage Mk II BTVS I can shoot 3/4" groups at 100 yards using decent ammo (Eley Club).
 
A True match 22 Rifle [ Anschutz 54, 64, Remington 40X, Suhl 150, Walther and a few others] with top quality match ammo it likes will shoot sub-moa regularly at 100 meters on a very calm day.
Wind is a real issue, and if there is a noticeable breeze, it is difficult, if not impossible, to achieve these results.
Do NOT sell the lowly 22 LR short, it is a very highly developed round and in the right rifle it can astound you, even well beyond 100 meters.
Eagleye.
 
I own both of those, a 10/22 and a MKII BVTS. For average group sizes I generally see the MKII shoot almost half the size of what the 10/22 does using bulk ammo that they both like. Also shooting a 22 at longer ranges IMO is a good way to learn the wind. Just this weekend we were having fun shooting at 200M with our 22's!

Steve
 
Apples n' Oranges...

I won't trash-talk the 10/22(this time), but will happily confirm what most others have suggested...as far as platforms go, the Savage will outperform the 10/22 accuracy-wise everytime. Not just at 100yds...any distance. Although you can spend another grand on your 10/22 with aftermarket bits n' pieces, you may never get it to outperform, or even match a good bolt action.
 
At 100 yards, I would bet on the Savage, but as to semi autos not being capable at 100 yards, my Volquartsen consistently puts five shots in under an inch at 100 yards. Of course my Anschutz 54 will do a bit better than that.
 
If you folks want an accurate .22LR, ya might want to consider the Tula TOZ, the single shot TOZ 8 being the top with the 17 and 17-01 being very close behind. While I admit to using a scope (Tasco 3-9), I regularly go for 1" groups at 100 meters; regardless of ammo. But, yes, I agree, minimal wind will spoil your day if not accounted for.
 
All this info has been very help full so far, thanks all. I am really craving a new rifle and since I cant afford to shoot center fire, yet alone .17hmr (student budget due to university tuition...) I think I am going to pick myself up the Savage for the longer shots and keep my 10/22 for just rapid fire plinking and 50yards or less shots.

Keep the comments coming regarding your experience with .22 at 100+ yards though, they are always interesting to read.
 
To offer up an answer to a question unasked... Instead of looking at new rifles, have a gander at any of many used .22's. Some of them offer up excellent accuracy, and affordable enough to buy a few extra bricks.

If you're seeking bolty fun, there are many fine examples (from Mossberg, Marlin, and the list will go on and on) of older .22's that cost less than new Savage, offer up comparable accuracy, should still sell for what you paid, and may just be worth a touch more when you decide to sell. I've owned some Cooeys that were crazy accurate, and had a Mossberg or two that were laser like. An old Marlin 81dl that could shoot like stink...My Dad's Remington is a sharp shootin' little .22 too. There is certainly some truth to the whole "they don't make 'em like they used to" cliche. The only caveat is you, like me, may suffer .22acquire-itis...not as cool on a budget.

I'm sure whatever you decide on will offer up fun by the brick.
 
-Doug- said:
All this info has been very help full so far, thanks all. I am really craving a new rifle and since I cant afford to shoot center fire
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I know what you mean. A rather inexpensive centerfire is the SKS with a crate of surplus ammo. But that's still close to $500 all in. That's why I was attracted to the idea of .22 for my trips to the range.

I had sort of written off the idea of .22 LR though, because I didn't think it would be all that accurate @ 100 yrds. But from what I've been hearing, the .22 Savage Mk II rifle I just picked up + the CCI 'mini-mag' LR ammo give suprising performance at 100 yrds. I'll be able to confirm this weekend.
 
Dakk said:
I know what you mean. A rather inexpensive centerfire is the SKS with a crate of surplus ammo. But that's still close to $500 all in. That's why I was attracted to the idea of .22 for my trips to the range.

I had sort of written off the idea of .22 LR though, because I didn't think it would be all that accurate @ 100 yrds. But from what I've been hearing, the .22 Savage Mk II rifle I just picked up + the CCI 'mini-mag' LR ammo give suprising performance at 100 yrds. I'll be able to confirm this weekend.
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look up some of fellow CGN'ers posts (clavenb??) about shooting out to 500yds. There's a pretty good reason the lowly .22 says "dangerous for a mile" on the box....I love shooting, but have a real weakness for .22's. Currently down to ten, but have owned dozens of different ones (see .22acquire-itis warning)
 
Here is last trips 100m results.

Only fired the one mag, but was quite impressed.

The flyers were likely me.....

MKII FV on a bipod, and rear bag, with CCI Standard Velocity.

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My Mk.IIf Savage will typically shoot 1-2 inches with 5-10 shot groups. It's usually that one round that goes 2 inches off center that ruins the entire group, but whatever. The odd time I have fired a 10 round group under an inch, but it's extremely rare, as in I've done it maybe 3 or 4 times so I call that luck as I can't reproduce it on a rest

I haven't tried match ammo yet, CCI SV's were the most accurate at around 1.2 inches every time. CCI Blazer does 1-2 randomly, and everything else I have tried kind of sucks lol
 
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