.22LR and Chrony

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I took my CZ 455 and a F1 Crony out to the range on the weekend, shot CCI SV. Hoping to play around with strelok and some distance this fall up north. My average velocity was 1217. Higher than the stated 1070. I know I had the crony too close, 18 inches, I tried it at the recommended 5 feet but I was not recording. Indoor range and poor lighting. What do most shooters use for distance from Muzzle to the crony, specifically 22LR, should I scrap this average and start over? What distance from muzzle for velocity do programs like Strelok calibrate for?

thanks
 
To get a little more information, how many rounds were chronographed?

Shooting in an indoor range can result in error messages or an inability for the chronograph to accurately do its job. There are lights available from the manufacturer for the F1 that allow for successful indoor use. Some shooters have fashioned their own lights for use with the chrony.

While the chrony used may itself be inaccurate (and of course there's no reason at this point to say that it is), the figure of 1217 seems high. At the same time it's important to note that the average velocity obtained with almost any rifle will not be the velocity printed on the box. The average velocity that your or any chronograph records is the average velocity of the particular ammo in your particular rifle. There's no guarantee that a different CZ 455 would produce the same average with the same ammo. Each bore is different the ammo responds accordingly.
 
To get a little more information, how many rounds were chronographed?

Shooting in an indoor range can result in error messages or an inability for the chronograph to accurately do its job. There are lights available from the manufacturer for the F1 that allow for successful indoor use. Some shooters have fashioned their own lights for use with the chrony.

While the chrony used may itself be inaccurate (and of course there's no reason at this point to say that it is), the figure of 1217 seems high. At the same time it's important to note that the average velocity obtained with almost any rifle will not be the velocity printed on the box. The average velocity that your or any chronograph records is the average velocity of the particular ammo in your particular rifle. There's no guarantee that a different CZ 455 would produce the same average with the same ammo. Each bore is different the ammo responds accordingly.

thanks, I did 15 rounds and had a spread of max 21 ft/s. I also tried some Winchester super x and was wildly all over the place as expected. I to think the 1217 is high but the consistency made me think otherwise. I will try the outdoor range later this week and at the recommended 5 feet from muzzle.
 
I would go ahead with your plans to retest at your outdoor range. I don't recall chrono'ing SV but I did run some Blazer, Mini Mags and Velocitors over my Beta Chrony a few years ago and the Blazer and Mini Mags were right in the 1250 range from an 18.5" 10/22. I'd say you got some incorrect readings during your test.
 
Readings on CCI MiniMags were higher for the HP's and lower for the RN.

Round nose were around 1200 and the HP's were closer to 1300.

I tested two lots of Eley Match and found one)1063) to average 9 fps below the velocity printed on the box and the other lot's average was as printed on the box(1062).

I was running tests at 10 feet off the muzzle.
 
I took my CZ 455 and a F1 Crony out to the range on the weekend, shot CCI SV. Hoping to play around with strelok and some distance this fall up north. My average velocity was 1217. Higher than the stated 1070. I know I had the crony too close, 18 inches, I tried it at the recommended 5 feet but I was not recording. Indoor range and poor lighting. What do most shooters use for distance from Muzzle to the crony, specifically 22LR, should I scrap this average and start over? What distance from muzzle for velocity do programs like Strelok calibrate for?

thanks

For reference here is my data from my CZ 457 with a 16" barrel shooting CCI SV. My last 10 shots also recorded some 1200 fps.

28*C, Humidity 70%

LO 1052
HI 1094
AV 1071
ES 41.50
SD 12.88

1052
1061
1065
1069
1079
1094
1079
1076
1057
1082

LO 1060
HI 1080
AV 1071
ES 19.59
SD 6.92

1065
1060
1078
1078
1064
1067
1076
1068
1072
1080

LO 1063
HI 1087
AV 1076
ES 23.22
SD 8.06

1086
1071
1063
1076
1070
1079
1067
1080
1082
1087

LO 1040
HI 1063
AV 1052
ES 23.67
SD 7.93

1061
1049
1043
1046
1059
1063
1049
1057
1040
1056

LO 1057
HI 1250
AV 1197
ES 193.5
SD 68.49

1243
1249
1250
1205
1219
1242
1221
1204
1057
1087
 
This is for readers who are unfamiliar with chronographing .22LR ammo.

When making evaluations about any .22LR ammo chronograph results, it is very important to use as large a sample size as possible in order to get data that is more reliable. In other words, the smaller the sample size, the more unreliable the data. If going through the effort of using a chronograph it is far more useful to obtain the results of an entire box of ammo from a particular batch or lot than to shoot short strings of ten or 15 shots. That's more like seeing the entire movie rather than a few short snippets. Even half a movie is better than ten or fifteen minutes, although even that gives an incomplete picture.

What you should be looking for is what you can expect from a box of a certain batch of a particular brand of ammo. One of the most useful in particular is extreme spread found in a typical box of a certain ammo. This is increasingly important and useful as the shooting range increases. If shooting at 25 yards it won't matter a whit, but the further out you go the more the possible variation in MV between each round matters.

At the same time, it is important not to consider ES alone. It is possible that any box of ammo can have just a few outliers that produce a wide ES. The standard deviation (SD) figure is very important. The smaller the SD, the closer to the average MV the typical round in the batch will be. That is to say, if the ammo tested has a very small SD most of the rounds will have an MV very close to the average MV of the entire tested batch. The larger the SD, the more the MV of individual rounds will be to either end of the ES.

To illustrate with an example, consider two batches or lots of ammo. Both have the same average MV (or very close). They both have the same ES, say 100 fps. But both have different SD's. One is very low, the other much higher. The batch with the lower SD is much more desirable -- at least theoretically -- than the one with the high SD. Why? The individual rounds in the batch with the low SD will be close to the average MV, with a small number of outliers causing the high ES. In the batch with the high SD, the individual rounds will fall within the entire ES range, yet still have the same average MV. There will be many more rounds closer to the low and high ends of the muzzle velocity spread. Since it is preferable to have a batch of ammo in which individual rounds are close to each other in average MV, the lower the SD the better.

Of course it is not possible to determine what will in fact be the best ammo for accuracy in your particular rifle by using a chronograph alone. Sometimes even the ammo with the best chrony results will not be the best in accuracy results down range. But a chronograph can explain some of the results obtained, especially when shooting at longer ranges.
 
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