.22Lr or .223
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What is your budget
223 is a good caliber, you will be able to shoot very accuratly up to 300yds.
Get a twist of about 1 in 8
22lr is always nice to have, but 100yds is about all you can do
223 and 308 set up will cost you about the same, the 308 is a little more expensive to shoot but not that much
223 is a good caliber, you will be able to shoot very accuratly up to 300yds.
Get a twist of about 1 in 8
22lr is always nice to have, but 100yds is about all you can do
223 and 308 set up will cost you about the same, the 308 is a little more expensive to shoot but not that much
The cost of the rifle will be the same. However, .308 Win. ammunition cost will be significantly more expensive even if you handload. Match .22 bullets are far cheaper than equivalent .30 cal. and you're going to be using 20 grains less powder shooting a .223. Brass is far cheaper as well.
It all depends upon what you want this rifle to do for you. A .308 Win. would be a far more versatile round if hunting or medium to long range shooting were primary considerations.
It all depends upon what you want this rifle to do for you. A .308 Win. would be a far more versatile round if hunting or medium to long range shooting were primary considerations.
"...Budget is a factor..." The .22lr will be the least expensive to feed. A couple hundred bucks will buy you a reasonably good .22 target rifle that can double as a ground hog rifle. Shooting techniques with a .22 are the same as a .308 or .223, so a .22 is a good reasonably inexpensive place to start.
I'd suggest you start with your own .22 to learn on and follow lcq's advice on joining the Connaught club. It'll let you try a few rifles before you buy(good center fire target rifles aren't cheap) and give you some training and experience.
1,000 yards is a very long way for a .223, but it is being used. The time you spend using a club or other member's rifle will teach you how to read the wind and mirage. There's a lot of variables shooting 1,000 yards.
I'd suggest you start with your own .22 to learn on and follow lcq's advice on joining the Connaught club. It'll let you try a few rifles before you buy(good center fire target rifles aren't cheap) and give you some training and experience.
1,000 yards is a very long way for a .223, but it is being used. The time you spend using a club or other member's rifle will teach you how to read the wind and mirage. There's a lot of variables shooting 1,000 yards.
dangertree
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Store bought ammo...
.22 500rnds=$14
.308 20rnds=$18
I have more fun shooting my Toz 22 at 100m for grouping, than I do shooting my 308 M14. Why more fun? Because I shoot 30 or more ten shot groups, only concentrating on shooting better (breathing/sight picture/trigger control), recoil/noise doesn't enter the picture.
Cost for the days shooting, maybe $12.
Also, the responsable citizen in me says, I shoot 22 in places where shooting the 308 would piss people off (and not anti-gun people either). A 22 rifle is about as loud as a handclap.
.22 500rnds=$14
.308 20rnds=$18
I have more fun shooting my Toz 22 at 100m for grouping, than I do shooting my 308 M14. Why more fun? Because I shoot 30 or more ten shot groups, only concentrating on shooting better (breathing/sight picture/trigger control), recoil/noise doesn't enter the picture.
Cost for the days shooting, maybe $12.
Also, the responsable citizen in me says, I shoot 22 in places where shooting the 308 would piss people off (and not anti-gun people either). A 22 rifle is about as loud as a handclap.
Stewie333:
When it comes to squeezing the trigger, your subconscious (spelling ?) mind will not differentiate between a .22 LR and a .308 Win shot. The principles of holding, aiming, breathing, squeezing, and following through are the same regardless of bangstick and expense.
Okay, that being said, your budget will dictate which bangstick you can take to shoot at whatever club your budget will allow. yada yada yada.
I'm an advocate of repeated muscle memory.... like a martial artist: 350 repetitions to make a motion embedded into your subconscious mind. I prefer to start newbies off with a .22LR and have tons and tons of repetition( and fun factor, too).
Unfortunately, having run Service and Sniper matches, I often encounter many newbsticks (my son taught me that noun) who have lots and lots of money for expensive sniper rigs, but not the principles of marksmanship needed to operate said wonderful bling, bling bangsticks.
You are wise asking the CGNutters for advise. Hopefully , we can save you a pile of money. You are also lucky because living in Ottawa, you are surrounded by many shooting opportunities like Connaught Ranges. And you are in the midst of many great shooting resource people..... well, I'll try not to mention LeMoron (I mean LeBaron). LOL
Cheers,
Barney
When it comes to squeezing the trigger, your subconscious (spelling ?) mind will not differentiate between a .22 LR and a .308 Win shot. The principles of holding, aiming, breathing, squeezing, and following through are the same regardless of bangstick and expense.
Okay, that being said, your budget will dictate which bangstick you can take to shoot at whatever club your budget will allow. yada yada yada.
I'm an advocate of repeated muscle memory.... like a martial artist: 350 repetitions to make a motion embedded into your subconscious mind. I prefer to start newbies off with a .22LR and have tons and tons of repetition( and fun factor, too).
Unfortunately, having run Service and Sniper matches, I often encounter many newbsticks (my son taught me that noun) who have lots and lots of money for expensive sniper rigs, but not the principles of marksmanship needed to operate said wonderful bling, bling bangsticks.
You are wise asking the CGNutters for advise. Hopefully , we can save you a pile of money. You are also lucky because living in Ottawa, you are surrounded by many shooting opportunities like Connaught Ranges. And you are in the midst of many great shooting resource people..... well, I'll try not to mention LeMoron (I mean LeBaron). LOL
Cheers,
Barney
dangertree
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Most adapters cost as much or more as a 22 rifle.
I'd suggest a Toz-78 from Armrus, they're on sale, bolt action, have a full size stock, and have been found by many CGNers to be very accurate.
You'll still have enough money out of $500 to buy one of those AND a Stevens 200 in 223 if you wish.
I'd suggest a Toz-78 from Armrus, they're on sale, bolt action, have a full size stock, and have been found by many CGNers to be very accurate.
You'll still have enough money out of $500 to buy one of those AND a Stevens 200 in 223 if you wish.
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Stewie333 said:
.243 isn't 22 cal bore, like the 223, so no.
dangertree said:
Wrong. I actually have an alex.inc adapter that will do just that. Poor grouping though. Probably lucky to hit a chicken at 20 feet and I'm not sure how good it is for the gun with the bullet ricocheting through the barrel.
Start with a ruger 10-22,cost you about 300$.
Nice thing about the ruger is that you will be able to upgrade the rifle without the need of a gunsmith.
Ruger = versatile, cheap, lots of accessories
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69075
Nice thing about the ruger is that you will be able to upgrade the rifle without the need of a gunsmith.
Ruger = versatile, cheap, lots of accessories
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69075
Stewie333
Get yourself a .223 with a heavy barrel and fast twist. The .223 will work at 1000 yards. There is a wealth of experience awaiting you at the NCRRA in Connaught.
Contact them and see if you can borrow a club rifle for a while to get you started. You may even be able to pick up a good used rifle from a member.
Lots of shooters shoot fullbore then switch to smallbore(22LR) indoors, for the off season.
Get yourself a .223 with a heavy barrel and fast twist. The .223 will work at 1000 yards. There is a wealth of experience awaiting you at the NCRRA in Connaught.
Contact them and see if you can borrow a club rifle for a while to get you started. You may even be able to pick up a good used rifle from a member.
Lots of shooters shoot fullbore then switch to smallbore(22LR) indoors, for the off season.
dangertree
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K98, I'm aware of those inserts, but like you say, crap, so not worth mentioning.
22 rimfire inserts in a 22 centrefire rifle use the bore, otherwise, not a real option for our inquirer.
22 rimfire inserts in a 22 centrefire rifle use the bore, otherwise, not a real option for our inquirer.
►►CANADIAN◄◄ said:
Ummmm try 42cents a round. Considering Walmart sells 40rds VALUE pack of 223 ammo for 16.99.
My first rifle I bought was a 308 Semi Auto. Was only after that I got a 22LR and I never used it much. I owned more centerfires then I did rimfires. I only owned 6 rimfire guns in my 3 years owning my PAL. I only own 2 rimfires now and I dont even use them much.
maynard said:
Get a Savage Steven 200 in 223. Only 319.00 new, I bought one thinking I was going to get 1.5" + groupings at 100m and to my supprise I was getting under a 1"
