If you have aspirations of shooting grouse or anything like that i am sure you will find out they are just crap.not sure what the magnums are like but the 22lr is just plain crap. They are dirty as hell and the shot is so tiny its like shooting pepper or something like that. I used them once a long time ago. I honestly don't think they would kill a magpie at 15'. Might be ok if you had mice in the basement or something like thatIf you have aspirations of shooting grouse or anything like that i am sure you will find out they are just crap.



























