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hey folks. i'm debating between a .243 and a .223. i've been told both are excellent long range guns. the cheaper cost of .223 is attractive, however, the supply of it seems to be dwindling, due to it being a military calibre. the attraction of the .243 is it's ability to be used for hunting as well, although it wouldn't be used for it too often. what is the difference in recoil between the calibres? i want the girlfriend to be able to handle it, as my 7mm is way too much for her. are the ballistics similar? i will probably be reloading eventually so economical cost in supplies is another consideration.

thanks in advance.
 
Here is a link to a chart which depicts the average recoil.

243 has about 300% more recoil than a 223

accuratereloading.com/recoil.html
 
.243 is quite often used as a youth calibre for hunting so I'm sure the girlfriend will be fine.

I have one in a Savage 12fv and love it. I use it for gophers and coyotes with a 65 grain VMAX over 40 grains of Varget. Its a lazer beam. Then I switch to a 95 grain bullet of 34 grains of Varget for deer. Again, its hold dead on out to 300 yards. Of course there's some drop but on a deer size targe it still hits the vitals.

I like it but I'm sure some others on here will sugges other configurations. For my use... its perfect.
 
I love all my 243's. my newest one is a savage model 12 VLP and I bought it with pretty much the excact intentions you have minus the girlfriend thing (I can't get the wife to shoot) I bought it for long range target shooting with the possibillty I might take it on an antalope or a deer hunt. one thing I love about the 243 is the HUGE selection of match grade bullets
 
"...are the ballistics similar?..." No. You can go to Remington's site and compare the two for Remington factory ammo. They do not have like weight bullets on their comparison pages though. So compare like bullet construction. It won't tell you a great deal, but it'll give you an idea of the differences.
For example, an 80 gr PSP .243 is about 400fps faster at 400 yards than a 55 grain PSP .223. With a 150 yard zero, the 80 grain bullet drops roughly 2.4" less at 300 too. It also has 463 ft-lbs more energy at 300. Mind you, this is not a really good comparison due to the difference in bullet weight.
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/
 
Not necessarily. A heavier bullet usually has more stabilty at long range. It's also less affected by sidewind because it has more mass. It also depends on rifling twist, bullet design, etc.

Look up the difference between an older .244 rifle and 6mm rifle. The .244 shoots light bullets well, but not heavier bullets because of the slower twist rates. Heavier bullets shot out of a fast twist 6mm rifle are more stable. Exact same bullet, but different twist rates.
 
lemme see if i'm getting this right. i need a heavier bullet, and fast twist rate in order to perform well out to long ranges. is twist rate related to the rifling in the barrel? how do i go about getting a faster twist rate, do i have to buy an aftermarket barrel?

i'm looking at a Remington 700 SPS Varmint in .243. i was planning on swapping the stock out to a laminated thumbhole, and possibly the barrel now, since i'm guessing that the twist rate relates to the rifling. what type of other upgrades should i make?
 
Depending on what you call long range, and depending on what weight of bullets you want too shoot, I would"nt gocrazy and change the barrel untill you"ve tried it with a few loads(and give it time to run in)
I shoot 100 grain soft points and 55 grain vmax out of my mod 70 custom(new lapped barrel with tight chamber, pillar bed and trigger job) and it shoots both better than I can shoot to 300 mtrs. I would"nt shoot at an animal much further(shot 1 deer at 335 mtrs) and I am more than happy with both bullets(55"s and 100"s)out of the same gun.
If you"re lucky and the factory barrel is"nt too rough I would keep it and put the $$$ into a scope/trigger and bedding. Failing that, if you want a new barrel,
why not buy a 2nd hand rifle(any 308 sized action) and get it trued up and barrelled in 243. It seems a waste to scrap a new barrel and stock(that"s why I fixed mine up rather than cannibalizing a new one!)
.243 IS THE BEST ROUND EVER!
 
thanks for the info migrant hunter. i'd be figuring on ranges out to 500 yards. but for hunting, less than 250-300 yards. i'll have to look into the barrels and such. as for trigger work and bedding, what type of modifications should i be looking at.
 
Hi. 500 yards is too far for a .243. It's a 300 yard cartridge. Even with heavy bullets.
If you're going to change the stock you might as well glass bed it at the same time. You can do it yourself with an Acraglas Kit. About $30 in most gun shops. Follow the directions on the box and bed the receiver and along the barrel channel under the chamber only. This'll give you a free floating barrel. If the rifle doesn't shoot well floated, put a wee pressure point(use a dab of bedding material) in an inch or so aft of the end of the forestock. Rem 700's tend to like a floated barrel, but that's not chiseled in stone.
I wouldn't bother changing the barrel though. Good aftermarket barrels are expensive and the factory barrels are fine.
The Rem 700 has an adjustable trigger so a trigger job isn't as necessary. Go here for a how-to. Keep it around 3 or 4 pounds for hunting.
http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html
The rifling twist rate is the number of complete turns the rifling makes over a given distance. Your rifle has a 1 in 9 1/8". That means it makes one complete turn in that length. It also means your rifle will likely prefer heavy bullets(80 grains and up.). Most commercial hunting rifles do. Even factory varmint barrels. Mind you, that doesn't mean it won't shoot lighter bullets well too.
Personally, I like the results heavy bullets give on ground hogs. A Speer 105 grain SP practically turns one inside out. A 90 grain FMJ(not the same as a milsurp bullet. They're made for hide hunting coyotes, etc.) makes a puncture wound with no exit hole.
Thanks to the bench rest crowd, there are good match grade bullets available too. No hunting anything but varmints with them though.
 
Hi. 500 yards is too far for a .243. It's a 300 yard cartridge. Even with heavy bullets.

I was shooting mine to 900 successfully today so I don't agree that 500 is too far... I don't think pushing it to 1500 yards is unreasonalble with enough scope adjustment and the right bullet. ballistically the 243 has plenty of jam for long range target shooting. it gets even better if you can stablize the 105 or 107 match bullets
 
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i'm looking at a Remington 700 SPS Varmint in .243. i was planning on swapping the stock out to a laminated thumbhole, and possibly the barrel now, since i'm guessing that the twist rate relates to the rifling. what type of other upgrades should i make?

That's a good choice. I don't think I would change the barrel right away, or even the stock. I would take ot out to the range and just shoot it with different ammo. You might be pleasantly surprised at how well it shoots with the original barrel and stock. Then you'll know what you like and dislike about it and can change the stock or barrel if you really don't like them.

My old Interarms Mark X .243 is dead stock and shoots better than I can aim.:) So far, three shots, three deer with it.
 
thanks for all the info. this stuff really helps. clearly i'm still learning the ballistics end of shooting. lol. this is much more fun than math class. i'll have to start looking into reloading equipment shortly after i buy the gun. for the first little while, i'll be shooting factory ammo. what type of ammo do you guys suggest? i'm shooting federal powershock through my 7mm and it performs fine. i haven't really tried anything else yet, due to time and money constraints. i think i'm going to try the remington core-lokt stuff when i get a chance. would i basically be using the same stuff out of the .243?
 
If you"re not reloading yet I would recomend getting into loading for at least a year before doing any custom work on the gun(other than bedding and trigger as already mentioned)
If you go Remy you can easily do the trigger yourself, and a lot of Remys come with an aluminium bedding block as standard now anyway. If you want to shoot pretty little groups at 300 plus, you will need a high magnification scope, and if you intend to hunt at those distances a range finder is essential. A range finder will make you a better shot at 300 yds than a new barrel will!
As you learn the black arts of handloading, you will be able to get the best from your rifle before you move on to improving on factory stock guns.
Welcome to the obsession and poverty that is rifle shooting!
 
thanks for the tips. i'm really looking forward to figuring all this stuff out. reloading is the next step i suppose. i have a remington 700 in 7mm rem mag, and reloading will make shooting it much cheaper. then i can spend the money i save on another gun. :D
 
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