.25 Hornet / .25 Flea

Snider shooter said:
I was thinking of a 25 acp in the Stevens Favourite but I keep looking at the baby Martini and thinking 25 cal. Possibly 25-20. 25 Hornet could be interesting.
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I did a Cadet in 257 Maximum (necked down 357 Maxi)

It's a hot little combination.

I have a Cadet in 22 Hornet and it was an easy conversion, when I got the extractor cut sorted out.

Go for it, quit procrastinating, or you will be to old to enjoy it.
 
I think the baby Martini .25-20 is doable & has been done quite often. My wife's Westley Richards in 298 Minex is, I'm quite sure, a joy to shoot, but I only get to cast bullets & load for it. It is essentially a .32-20 case using a 140 grain bullet measuring 0.300".

I've had a few .22 Hornets, 1 on a #2 SMLE, a couple on baby Martinis and my current Ruger #1. Never much cared for the .20 calibre anything. It's bothersome enough to load .22 Hornets with my sausage fingers, never mind a .20, much less a .17.

Re: 25 acp in the Stevens Favourite
It's always been an annoyance to me that there isn't a rimmed .25 case of about that size to use in Stevens' or Cooey rifles; just the old rim-fire cases. Sort of a smaller version of a .32 S&W.

Re: Cadet in 257 Maximum (necked down 357 Maxi) It's a hot little combination.
Is it a gently-tapered old-style cartridge or is it a sharp-shouldered bottleneck cartridge? I tried googling it, but nada.
 
jamesharrison said:
I think the baby Martini .25-20 is doable & has been done quite often. My wife's Westley Richards in 298 Minex is, I'm quite sure, a joy to shoot, but I only get to cast bullets & load for it. It is essentially a .32-20 case using a 140 grain bullet measuring 0.300".

I've had a few .22 Hornets, 1 on a #2 SMLE, a couple on baby Martinis and my current Ruger #1. Never much cared for the .20 calibre anything. It's bothersome enough to load .22 Hornets with my sausage fingers, never mind a .20, much less a .17.

Re: 25 acp in the Stevens Favourite
It's always been an annoyance to me that there isn't a rimmed .25 case of about that size to use in Stevens' or Cooey rifles; just the old rim-fire cases. Sort of a smaller version of a .32 S&W.

Re: Cadet in 257 Maximum (necked down 357 Maxi) It's a hot little combination.
Is it a gently-tapered old-style cartridge or is it a sharp-shouldered bottleneck cartridge? I tried googling it, but nada.
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Sharp shouldered, bottle neck case. With the twist rate, the heaviest bullets I can load successfully are 75 grains.

I got very lucky on some surplus powder I picked up from SFRC several years ago.

It's a flake type powder, made up for the Spanish by Rotwiel.

They used it for their CETME cartridges, which are just 7.62 Nato, with a 112 grain SPBT bullet with a lead base and plastic nose insert, under the FMJ.

It's perfect for pistol type cartridges in rifles.

The present Cadet I building is going to be a 218BEE.

Yeah, I know, WHY??? Welllll Why Not??

As for the 22 Hornet, with 40 grain flat base bullets it delivers minute of bunny head accuracy out past 200 yards and in BC, our Rocky Mountain Snowshoe Hares have about a 3 inch diameter head cross section at most.
 
I read article recent that a 25rimfire was converted on Steven’s single shot action. I’ll try and find it again if anybody wants
 
Just a thought james if you want to build a 20/22 Hornet I’ll store it for you. I don’t mind loading for 17 and 20 ��. My sausage fingers aren’t too big and I only lost one or two digits. I like the same calibers for gophers.
 
woodchopper said:
yes you are correct. my mistake. off by a meer thousands of an inch :)
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Sorry; I didn't mean to come off as being peevish, persnickety, &c.

I thought perhaps it was another wildcat, based on the .357 Magnum, but, hopefully, one with a gracefully tapered case, and not a sharp-shouldered number like the .256 W.M. (Think a smaller version of the .32-30 Remington-Hepburn for .25 calibre bullets.)
 
jamesharrison said:
Sorry; I didn't mean to come off as being peevish, persnickety, &c.

I thought perhaps it was another wildcat, based on the .357 Magnum, but, hopefully, one with a gracefully tapered case, and not a sharp-shouldered number like the .256 W.M. (Think a smaller version of the .32-30 Remington-Hepburn for .25 calibre bullets.)
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Sounds like a description of the 22 Remington Jet necked up to a 25? A little like a 22 Hornet scaled up 110% though it might be a little more chubby.

25-35 is a bit bigger than you envision obviously.
 
jamesharrison said:
Sorry; I didn't mean to come off as being peevish, persnickety, &c.

I thought perhaps it was another wildcat, based on the .357 Magnum, but, hopefully, one with a gracefully tapered case, and not a sharp-shouldered number like the .256 W.M. (Think a smaller version of the .32-30 Remington-Hepburn for .25 calibre bullets.)
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oh no, sorry if I came off abrasive, sometime the old brain forgets little thing.

I think I've forgotten a lot of the fine details of things I used to study but still remember the broad strokes of things.
 
Jim

Your 'Ontario Agent' here , hope all is well in Winterpeg !

Have you considered the 270 REN, the old Metalic Silhouette cartridge ? I always thought it would make a very practical, 'modern' Rook ctg. . 22 Hornet case necked up to use 270 (.277) bullets. Usually put together with 90,100 and 110 grain bullets. Used most often with the usual suspects of slow burning pistol powders: Lil Gun, 4227, Win 296/H110, 2400 etc. Google 270 REN, you'll gets loads of data, including Hornady published data under obsolete ctgs.
My brother tore up the Ontario Metalic Silhouette run shooting a stock T/C contender, in 270 REN, 10" bbl back in the 90's. His standard load became 10.0 gr of H110 under a 110 gr SP ( Sierra #1810), Fed GM205M primer.
Shot well winter or summer: 1460 fps @ 0`C. 1600 fps @ 25`C. Very easy on brass, he averaged over 40 firings using W-W 22 Hornet brass.
Remember those velocities were out of a 10" bbl, Hornady's are out of an 8". I would imagine that 1800 -2000 fps would be doable with a rifle length barrel, easily.

Something for you to think about: There are probably a lot of 270 cal pulled off barrels sitting in gun shops that can be had quite reasonably, since it no longer seems to be the favored caliber. Those light "varmint weight"
270 bullets have always been cheap bullets to buy ...

Good thoughts Jim
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