3/8 at 100, what should I expect further...
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I am not the most experienced voice on this board, but...
It looks like you are shooting ~.6 moa, without the influence of wind, and assuming other factors equal, you should get groups of 1.8 to 2 inches at 300 yards.
What is the twist?
I am not the most experienced voice on this board, but...
It looks like you are shooting ~.6 moa, without the influence of wind, and assuming other factors equal, you should get groups of 1.8 to 2 inches at 300 yards.
What is the twist?
BigUglyMan
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- New Scotland
Longshot said:
+1, sounds like a helluva good combination.
Is it possible to improve, possibly.
Is it worth the effort, it depend what you want to do.
What is involve with you rifle-ammo to achieve this result
Are you shooting reloads, what kind of attention is involve.
What is the rifle twist, what kind of bullets are you using, etc...
Is it worth the effort, it depend what you want to do.
What is involve with you rifle-ammo to achieve this result
Are you shooting reloads, what kind of attention is involve.
What is the rifle twist, what kind of bullets are you using, etc...
pilot24 said:
If this is with factory ammo you might be able to improve it, if it is a handload then fine tuning might be possible or a change in components. But as others have stated it all depends on what you are trying to achieve, the gun might be able to give you a bit more but can you shoot better than you already are? Increasing the shot string to 10 shot groups usually puts most people in their place and shows the guns true potential and repeatability. Three shot groups are a compromise and should only be used as a rough guide and only for hunting guns, in my opinion, target shooters demand much more than that. Try that 10 shot string from a dead cold barrel for starters!
bigbull
Range report,
I have my answer!!
My range stops at 200, so this is the furthest I've been able to shoot yet. I had the trigger done, it's now at a sweeeet 2 lbs!!. I'm shooting federal premium 55gr gameking in .223. The rifle is a HB S&W with barrel cut and recrowned to 21''.
I now know that the rifle shoots better than me. I got 1/2'' groups at 200 with it yesterday!! Definitely the best groups ever for me, and with that performance, i'm not gonna bother spending on reloading, since i'm more of a hunter than a target guy.
Cheers
Pilot
I have my answer!!
My range stops at 200, so this is the furthest I've been able to shoot yet. I had the trigger done, it's now at a sweeeet 2 lbs!!. I'm shooting federal premium 55gr gameking in .223. The rifle is a HB S&W with barrel cut and recrowned to 21''.
I now know that the rifle shoots better than me. I got 1/2'' groups at 200 with it yesterday!! Definitely the best groups ever for me, and with that performance, i'm not gonna bother spending on reloading, since i'm more of a hunter than a target guy.
Cheers
Pilot
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- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
Its like shooting a rimfire at 50 meters , then move to 100. Well not really.. but some guns shoot better the longer the shot , I have not confirmed this, but did get some nice results at 300 where at 100 it was so so.
The group is a good one. Now you can learn what drop you get at 200-300-400... Don't worry too much about windage. We all learn that along the way. You can dial in windage and dial it out again as conditions change, fun stuff.
Frank
The group is a good one. Now you can learn what drop you get at 200-300-400... Don't worry too much about windage. We all learn that along the way. You can dial in windage and dial it out again as conditions change, fun stuff.
Frank
Accuracy Fun
pilot24:
You got the right idea.... keep what you got the way it's already setup and practice a whole bunch.
I'm thankful that you have the practical and cheaper approach. Many members have more money than shooting experience (I've seen this lots at Mons Range, Base Boredom Sniper Matches) and use said money to solve any problems their game might conjure up.
Enjoy the hobby !
Barney
pilot24:
You got the right idea.... keep what you got the way it's already setup and practice a whole bunch.
I'm thankful that you have the practical and cheaper approach. Many members have more money than shooting experience (I've seen this lots at Mons Range, Base Boredom Sniper Matches) and use said money to solve any problems their game might conjure up. Enjoy the hobby !
Barney
I would think with tinkering you maybe get a 3-4/10's group everyonce in while. Average would sit around .5 moa. To get a rifle to shoot .25 moa or better(benchrest type accuracy). It becomes a different game. Caliber(6PPC) 36X or greater scope, BR rest and bags. Brass and custom bullets that are prepped and perfect. Wind flags and know how to read them. Not to mention a very good rifle 4000.00+. I was in the game for 7 years and travel through out western canada and the US. It can be alot fun and it can also drive you nuts.
200 Yard Groups
My last 200 yard 5 shot groups from my Rem 700 VS were just under 3/4 inch @ 200 yards.
You can try shooting in the early AM, as soon as the fog lifts, before the wind picks up.
Neck size your cases. Once I learned how to use the Lee collet die properly it
is really slick and speeds up my loading time.
Cryo treat your barrel.
Firelap your barrel if there is any roughness.
Bed your action properly. My VS has the long aluminum bedding block, but I wasn't getting perfect contact.
A trigger job. That's what I needed on my .223. It voided the warranty, but with some of the tales of terror I hear about Remington service, their warranty doesn't hold much water.
Wrap some teflon pipe tape around the threads of the striker mechanism where it screws into the bolt body.
Cut out a small piece of leather and glue it to the receiver in the bolt handle notch. It should contact the bolt handle slightly and reduce the jump of the bolt handle when you dry fire it.
Lap your scope rings and make sure that the mounting screws are tight and Loc-Tited. Make sure that you have the best possible focus for your eye so the crosshair and image are both sharp. Ensure that the parralex adjustment is set at two hundred yards and you have the same image for each shot.
Get good rock solid sandbags.
Whew, after all this work you may be able to shave a quarter inch off your groups.
Stew
My last 200 yard 5 shot groups from my Rem 700 VS were just under 3/4 inch @ 200 yards.
You can try shooting in the early AM, as soon as the fog lifts, before the wind picks up.
Neck size your cases. Once I learned how to use the Lee collet die properly it
is really slick and speeds up my loading time.
Cryo treat your barrel.
Firelap your barrel if there is any roughness.
Bed your action properly. My VS has the long aluminum bedding block, but I wasn't getting perfect contact.
A trigger job. That's what I needed on my .223. It voided the warranty, but with some of the tales of terror I hear about Remington service, their warranty doesn't hold much water.
Wrap some teflon pipe tape around the threads of the striker mechanism where it screws into the bolt body.
Cut out a small piece of leather and glue it to the receiver in the bolt handle notch. It should contact the bolt handle slightly and reduce the jump of the bolt handle when you dry fire it.
Lap your scope rings and make sure that the mounting screws are tight and Loc-Tited. Make sure that you have the best possible focus for your eye so the crosshair and image are both sharp. Ensure that the parralex adjustment is set at two hundred yards and you have the same image for each shot.
Get good rock solid sandbags.
Whew, after all this work you may be able to shave a quarter inch off your groups.
Stew
