3 Gun For The Beginner

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Been thinking recently about getting into 3 gun when my work schedule calms down a little but I`m a little clueless

First - are there any competitions relatively close to the Okanagan area?

When you find a competition whats the next step? Can you just turn up and compete? I keep seeing mention of a "Black Badge" course - is this a mandatory step?

What are people using for their choice of guns? I have a Benelli M4 semi auto shotgun and a CZ Shadow 2 which I`m guessing would be suitable (if not I also have an Uzkon pump with a 10 round mag and 2 x SIG P320s - one with an optic and one without). For a rifle I have a 7.5" AR15 in 7.62 x 39 - is this suitable? Most of the setups I`ve looked at have much longer barrels which I imagine would be better for stretching out to longer distances

Obviously competing in 3 gun will mean travelling to where the competitions are with at least one restricted - how does that work? Do you have to get an amended ATT for each event to stay on the right side of the law?

Thanks in advance
 
Those guns will all work. The 7.5" 7.62x39 throws rounds in a football arc but as long as you know your holdovers you'll be fine.

This thread has lots of pics and descriptions of guns and gear.
 
Stevo said:
Those guns will all work. The 7.5" 7.62x39 throws rounds in a football arc but as long as you know your holdovers you'll be fine.

This thread has lots of pics and descriptions of guns and gear.
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I will add this thread to the library: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1461339-3-Gun-Tips-and-Tricks

I am not quite sure what happens as far as the matches on the mainland go, but I have the impression that it might be a bit sparse. There is a group over there that runs rifle matches that looks pretty cool though. On the island there are a few matches per year in Victoria and Nanaimo, and apparently a good steady stream of matches in Campbell River.

Black Badge is for official IPSC matches and shouldn't be needed for anything else. You may need other (easier) certifications though. For example our local action shooting club requires our range holster certification and a club safety certification.

I think your best course of action is to find a match you'd like to attend and then contact the organizer. You should try to get into action pistol competitions as well....lots of challenge, fun, and more matches.
 
Ben_in_Canada said:
Popping my cherry in -13 hours!
Can't wait, have been testing/tweaking my gear all week.
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best words of advice,
- go slow on the draw, concentrate on getting a good grip every time.... speed will come
- there is NO RUSH to reholster your gun, either before the load and make ready or the unload and show clear... take your time, do it right and don't put your off hand in front of the muzzle if you need to lift your shirt a little.
- don't keep partially loaded magazines in your reach, at the end of the stage empty all partial magazines and then reload them
- have fun, yes this is a competitive event, but this is your first time..... take it easy, have fun and enjoy the camaraderie of like minded people in a safe/secure setting. some of the best people i know i met thru shooting.

also remember everyone gets dq'ed eventually..... take it like a man, stay with your squad and finish the match in a support role helping score, pasting and so on. nobody is out to offend you.
 
Your rifle for now will definitely work... Just be sure you're not using any steel core surplus ammo.

Many 3 gun matches have steel as the rifle targets... And many match directors will dq/charge you for damaging it.

Just to make sure your ammo doesn't stick to a magnet or clarify with the MD in advance
 
Onagoth said:
Your rifle for now will definitely work... Just be sure you're not using any steel core surplus ammo.

Many 3 gun matches have steel as the rifle targets... And many match directors will dq/charge you for damaging it.

Just to make sure your ammo doesn't stick to a magnet or clarify with the MD in advance
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Unfortunately surplus is all I use. Its the non corrosive stuff (Norinco I think?) but I`m pretty sure its steel core

So what are the rifles of choice for 3 gun?
 
Sniffer said:
Unfortunately surplus is all I use. Its the non corrosive stuff (Norinco I think?) but I`m pretty sure its steel core

So what are the rifles of choice for 3 gun?
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Well just buy some lead ammo for the match if that's what's needed lol. AR is most popular rifle by a mile. Check out the setups thread posted above.
 
grimreefer said:
Well just buy some lead ammo for the match if that's what's needed lol. AR is most popular rifle by a mile. Check out the setups thread posted above.
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Ive just started reading that - thanks for the link

What kind of distances are the rifle targets in 3 gun? is there a set standard on does it simply depend on the match (no set distance)?

Does anyone use a Kriss Vector? Ive got one of those too which shoots so soft with the recoil reduction system that its easy to get back on target, it is pretty limited for distance however
 
Sniffer said:
Ive just started reading that - thanks for the link

What kind of distances are the rifle targets in 3 gun? is there a set standard on does it simply depend on the match (no set distance)?

Does anyone use a Kriss Vector? Ive got one of those too which shoots so soft with the recoil reduction system that its easy to get back on target, it is pretty limited for distance however
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There is kind of an unwritten rule of 4MOA for rifle targets...but it gets ignored all the time.

PCC generally won't work for rifle. Either the targets are too far away or there is a PF stipulated for the rifle.
 
Onagoth said:
There is kind of an unwritten rule of 4MOA for rifle targets...but it gets ignored all the time.

PCC generally won't work for rifle. Either the targets are too far away or there is a PF stipulated for the rifle.
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So if your group ends up more than 4MOA you lose points? Or am I way off?

Pardon my ignorance but what is PF?
 
Sniffer said:
So if your group ends up more than 4MOA you lose points? Or am I way off?

Pardon my ignorance but what is PF?
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4moa refers to the size the targets ought to be so that it's a fair challenge.... So a shot at 400y should be on a roughly 16" target..... But as I said, the targets are routinely smaller than that... Most targets in 3 gun are simply hit or miss.... With penalties levied for misses

PF is power factor
 
Onagoth said:
4moa refers to the size the targets ought to be so that it's a fair challenge.... So a shot at 400y should be on a roughly 16" target..... But as I said, the targets are routinely smaller than that... Most targets in 3 gun are simply hit or miss.... With penalties levied for misses

PF is power factor
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So accuracy trumps speed?

So PF/Power Factor = caliber?
 
Sniffer said:
Ive just started reading that - thanks for the link

What kind of distances are the rifle targets in 3 gun? is there a set standard on does it simply depend on the match (no set distance)?

Does anyone use a Kriss Vector? Ive got one of those too which shoots so soft with the recoil reduction system that its easy to get back on target, it is pretty limited for distance however
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I would suggest you find a match that you are interested in attending and then contact the match director and ask your questions. There is no consistent standard in Canada for 3gun so to start you are going to have to just ask whoever is hosting the match. Power factor? Seriously? I wouldn't worry about it. Pistol caliber carbine? Might be just fine for the distances of the match. Steel ammo? Probably a no go but if the match director says it's fine (all rifle targets are paper for example) then you're good. Holster qualification? Most 3 gun matches in Canada will recognize an ipsc black badge but I suspect most MDs will be satisfied with any number of holster courses.

Whatever you decide, just get out and shoot one of these things! As your questions indicate, it is more than a little intimidating and confusing to get started in 3gun and that is a huge barrier to people new to the sport. All you really need to do is make sure your ammo meets the requirements of the match and give'er! Show up and let your squad mates and range officers know this is your first rodeo...they will help you along. You will not likely set the 3gun world on fire your first time out but you will have a hell of a good time.

And then, at a match a few years from now, someone in your squad will tell you it's their first 3gun match and you will help them along.
 
grimreefer said:
Well just buy some lead ammo for the match if that's what's needed lol. AR is most popular rifle by a mile. Check out the setups thread posted above.
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Thread revival

Just been looking at some 3 Gun matches with driving distance in the states (got a couple of options around 4 hours away), thinking of checking one out before the end of the season to get a feel

Since I started this thread I have picked up an X95 Tavor (traded it for a pistol) which I guess I could use for 3 Gun although I`ve heard that due to its shape/being a bullpup its not good for fitting through the barricades

Or would I be better getting an upper for my lower? I could pick up one in 5.56/223 which means I wouldn't have to use surplus (I`ve started reloading 223 now too) - I read somewhere else that it needs to be 16" if it needs to used in the states? Is this true?
 
Sniffer said:
Been thinking recently about getting into 3 gun when my work schedule calms down a little but I`m a little clueless

First - are there any competitions relatively close to the Okanagan area?

When you find a competition whats the next step? Can you just turn up and compete? I keep seeing mention of a "Black Badge" course - is this a mandatory step?

What are people using for their choice of guns? I have a Benelli M4 semi auto shotgun and a CZ Shadow 2 which I`m guessing would be suitable (if not I also have an Uzkon pump with a 10 round mag and 2 x SIG P320s - one with an optic and one without)
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Piiiffff I lol to this.... That's like asking a racing forum that u want to get into timed track laps and wondering if ur Arial Atom is sufficient enough for this? XD I'd say your MORE than well equipped.
 
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