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I have a 30-06 and am getting into reloading. I just bought Winchester 150 Gr PPFN bullets(round lead front, square back with one crimp ring halfway back). I have Winchester large rifle primers(for standard rifle loads) and IMR 4831 Powder. I have three books Speer, Hornby and Siera all newly bought.

What I want to do is load the 30-06 like a 308, or cut back the load somewhat. I cannot find a load in 308 that has my 150 grain bullet and the IMR 4831 powder. I'm asking the group if they have a listing for this bullet and this powder combo. I don't want to screw this up too badly. Lots of things I do not know about this stuff.

Main goal for this load is deer hunting at maybe 200 yards or less.

JimmieA.
 
Im not a reloader, but im pretty sure reducing a 3006 to 308 levels isnt as simple as putting the amount of powder a .308 load calls for in a 3006 case. I'd imagine their are pressure issues amongst other variables which would make that round completely different.
 
IMR4064 is an excellent powder for 150gr bullets in the 30-06. I would think a light load around 47-48gr would do what you are looking for. It would give you a muzzle velocity of around 2600-2700fps.


Mark
 
My IMR book gives 53.1 min to 59 max for the 150gr bullet, it is a compressed load and max speed is 2715fps in a 23" bbl., the powder is not suited to light bullets in the 30-06 and only starts coming on with 180gr or heavier bullets. Give her a try, I think the accuracy should be OK.
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Look at the "Youth Loads" on the Hodgdon website. The general idea is to use a light for caliber bullet and a light charge of a faster burning powder, like H4895.
 
"...load the .30-06 like a .308..." Hi. The difference between the .30-06 and .308 is not enough to notice. Do not use .308 data for .30-06. If you want a lighter load, use a lighter bullet.
There is one .30-06 IMR4831 load for a 150 on Reloader's Nest. Reduce by 10%.
 
I think you need to invest $30 on another pound of powder or get some 180 gr bullets. Varget, 4895, 4064, 3031, and 748 are all more appropriate for .30/06 loads with 150 gr bullets. My '06 practice loads are 180 gr Remington bulk bullets over 45 grs of 4895. The velocity is about 2500 fps and recoil is similar to that from a .303, or just a bit lighter than than a hot loaded .308. Similar powder charges with 150 gr bullets would produce about 2700 fps. Either H-4831 or IMR 4831 are fine powders in the '06 with bullets that weigh 165 grs and heavier, but their disadvantage is that it takes more powder weight per load with a slow burning powder than it does with a quicker burning powder. As a rule slow burning powders are not the best choices for reduced loads, as greater velocity variations are observed as the amount of airspace in the cartridge increases.
 
bigbull said:
My IMR book gives 53.1 min to 59 max for the 150gr bullet, it is a compressed load and max speed is 2715fps in a 23" bbl., the powder is not suited to light bullets in the 30-06 and only starts coming on with 180gr or heavier bullets. Give her a try, I think the accuracy should be OK.
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Which powder are you talking about here?


Mark
 
You can start with 56 gr and try htter in 1 gr increments, looking for the laod that gives an acceptable group.

The powder is really too slow for best results for that light bullet. You would be better off trying a faster powder, like 4895 or a heavier bullet, like a 180gr. With a 180 start ar 52 and work up to 58.

If it was me, I would buy a box of 180s. I find the 150 very vilent on deer. A 180 does the job with less blood-shot meat. It can also be used on bigger game. Nice to have one load good for everything.

If recoil is the issue, use the 150s with 52 of 4831.
 
I would use your IMR 4831 powder with your 150 grain bullets in the 30-06, if you want a lower velocity load.
I have never used IMR 4831, but have used lots of H4831. From all I can gather there isn't enough difference between the two powders to stick in your eye.
If anyone could tell me how to overload a 30-06, with H4831 and any bullet up to and including 180 grain, I sure wish they would tell me how they did it.
I used to load 60 grains with a 180 grain bullet. It was accurate, but not a heavy load, by any stretch of the immagination. I stopped at 60 grains because it was hard to get any more in the 30-06 case.
I'm looking at an old Hodgdons loading chart and they show 62.5 grains with the 180, for a velocity of 2752.
They show 50 grains as giving 2200.
They also show, in the 30-06, 63.5 grains with a 150 grain bullet, velocity given is only 2709.
Also, this loading chart I am quoting from, is for the old war surplus H4831. The tests I made with it and the new H4831 cannister powder, showed the old surplus as being faster than their new powder.
Therefore, it is probably a safe bet that IMR 4831 is slower burning than was (is) the old war surplus H4831.
 
Why?

JimmieA. said:
I have a 30-06 and am getting into reloading. I just bought Winchester 150 Gr PPFN bullets(round lead front, square back with one crimp ring halfway back). I have Winchester large rifle primers(for standard rifle loads) and IMR 4831 Powder. I have three books Speer, Hornby and Siera all newly bought.

What I want to do is load the 30-06 like a 308, or cut back the load somewhat. I cannot find a load in 308 that has my 150 grain bullet and the IMR 4831 powder. I'm asking the group if they have a listing for this bullet and this powder combo. I don't want to screw this up too badly. Lots of things I do not know about this stuff.

Main goal for this load is deer hunting at maybe 200 yards or less.

JimmieA.
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Why do you want a 30.06 loaded down to a .308? In terms of velocity (factory ammo) the differences are negligible.
 
Thanks for the responses. This is my first crack at reloading so I'm a little unsure. What I think I'll do is use what I have and use the minumun load listed in my book. Take it from there. I'm going to get the scope check out soon as well.

JimmieA.
 
From the instructions with my Lee reloading dies:
180 Grain Jacketed Bullet with IRM4831
Start Grains-Velocity FPS-Never Exceed-Velocity FPS
53.0-Unknown-56.8-2749
From the instructions with my Lee reloading manual:
180 Grain Jacketed Bullet with IRM4831
Start Grains-Velocity FPS-Never Exceed-Velocity FPS
51.8-2508-54.0-2600
I do not know why the information from Lee would be different in the manual to the dies. I have heard guys say the same about IRM4831 as H4831 said, fill them to the top. I use 53.0 grains because it is most accurate in my firearm with the Remington Core-Lokt. I did go to 57.0 and it was getting really full but accuracy already had fallen off. Loaded at 53.0 grains is like shooting a model 94 in 30-30 and has enough power for anything in Ontario I will be shooting at.
 
THERE IS a difference between IMR and H 4831. It is especially true is you use it in a magnum cartridge. H4831 is a slightly slower powder than IMR 4831 (wich would fit between H4350 and H4831).
Stick to your manual datas or go on Hodgdon's site and follow what they give you (isn't it the better source for IMR and H powder?) - Lee is just a copy of other's datas.
Now, for the 150 grainers, I personally would stick with anything faster than (and including) RL15. H / IMR 4895, Varget, H-380, BLC (2) and on and on..... all the medium range burning powders will give you better performances than H / IMR 4831.
 
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