30-30 leverevolution
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Pointed ammo
It was animal shaped targets with ringed scoring lines on the chest areas. The targets ranged from 100 to 300 yards, a deer and antelope were on running tracks at 100 and 150. A bear came up at 200, a sheep at 250 and a goat at 300. You layed prone, if you wanted to, with five cartridges and when a cartridge was chambered, the range operators called for a target and the shooter didn't know what targe was coming, either a running target or a pop up. The three pop up targets appeared for four seconds. You were allowed one shot at each target.
One rifle class in the event was called "Frontier," class, which was lever action rifles with calibres developed prior to 1900. This meant most rifles were 30-30. I loaded 150 grain pointed bullets in my old 94 with a Williams Fool Proof peep sight, and fed them one at a time. Some shooters cried foul, but there was no rule against it.
I came second at least twice and first one year, as the picture shows. There was a shooter from Kamloops who was mighty good with a Winchester 94 and he was the one who came first the twice I came second. Then I had my glory and beat him! Can't remember his name, I wonder if he is on this blog?
Calgary shooters took home a lot of trophies with scope sighted, "any rifle," rule, but were quite beatable with iron sights.
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The pointed bullets should make quite a difference. In the era of 30 years ago, a type of rifle competition called the riflemans rodeo, was big time in Alberta and BC. Great inter-provincial contests!hannibal said:
It was animal shaped targets with ringed scoring lines on the chest areas. The targets ranged from 100 to 300 yards, a deer and antelope were on running tracks at 100 and 150. A bear came up at 200, a sheep at 250 and a goat at 300. You layed prone, if you wanted to, with five cartridges and when a cartridge was chambered, the range operators called for a target and the shooter didn't know what targe was coming, either a running target or a pop up. The three pop up targets appeared for four seconds. You were allowed one shot at each target.
One rifle class in the event was called "Frontier," class, which was lever action rifles with calibres developed prior to 1900. This meant most rifles were 30-30. I loaded 150 grain pointed bullets in my old 94 with a Williams Fool Proof peep sight, and fed them one at a time. Some shooters cried foul, but there was no rule against it.
I came second at least twice and first one year, as the picture shows. There was a shooter from Kamloops who was mighty good with a Winchester 94 and he was the one who came first the twice I came second. Then I had my glory and beat him! Can't remember his name, I wonder if he is on this blog?
Calgary shooters took home a lot of trophies with scope sighted, "any rifle," rule, but were quite beatable with iron sights.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/H4831/P1020421.jpg
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I plan on using them for hunting this fall. At 100 yard range, I can't see much difference in accuracy between them and factory Winchester power points and silvertips. Velocity is about 150 fps better at muzzle. No idea as to how they perform on game, we'll have to see. I should add, that I shoot my 336XLR with iron, not a scope.
H4831 said:
H4831,
That's a fascinating account...thank you for the detail. Using ballistically superior bullets in a lever action rifle has got to make range estimation less critical, doesn't it?
I just bought some Lever-Evolution cartidges for my .45-70 chambered Marlin 1895...I'll be interested to see how they perform.
By the way, that's a handsome trophy there!
Best wishes, Jeff/1911.
ya cool to actually here it from a sharp shooter. My '94 has a redfield peep site on it, no scope. I guess I'll just have to go out and by some new ammo and try it. I would love to hear some impartial reports about bullet performance.
I haev a few boes, my wife might take a bear next weekend with them. They seem to be quite accurate, mind you, my new to me 336 is accurate anyway.
There is a warning on the box that says: you MAY have to replace your follower in some guns to allow proper feeding of the last round. Thankfully I did not have to do anything. But if I did have a problem, I would just load a traditional 30-30 round for my last.
There is a warning on the box that says: you MAY have to replace your follower in some guns to allow proper feeding of the last round. Thankfully I did not have to do anything. But if I did have a problem, I would just load a traditional 30-30 round for my last.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Offering a counterpoint,
I'm sorry, I think the cartridge does just fine on it's own. The leverrevolution, is largely marketting hype.
Try them? yes I will. But I don't expect miracles.
I'm sorry, I think the cartridge does just fine on it's own. The leverrevolution, is largely marketting hype.
Try them? yes I will. But I don't expect miracles.
At least thay are not overly expensive. $20/box compared to $12-$20 for plain jane 30-30John Y Cannuck said:
I belive them to be more accurate but again, I find my new marlin so accurate how can I compare. "Marketing" does claim that you can now confidently yuse your 30-30 out to 300yds.
I think the bullet is more of a 'breakthru' than the 'light mag' load. Obviously it's going to retain more speed and energy downrange, and is a nice 'compromise' between 150 grain and 170 grain bullets.
But the big question - how does it do on animals?
But the big question - how does it do on animals?
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
With more than a hundred years of perfecting the original bullet designs, the new bullet will not have to prove it's better, for me, it will have to prove that it's EQUAL.
The original slugs work very very well.
islandhunter
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I shot a deer with one last fall, and it dropped on the spot, But it was at 20 yards in the neck so any bullet would perform. Unless you have a scoped 30-30 there is no advantage because you're shots are under 100. They look cool though!
pharaoh2 said:
I had the same concerns as you did. I took a few rounds and put them in the freezer over night, the tip remains as soft coming out as it went it. I also spoke to Hornady and they tested it as well. I don't think they would hang their proverbial asses that far out on a limb and face potential lawsuits.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
That reputation is the only reason I'll try these. I'd be quicker to try them if they were available to handloaders, but my response from Hornady was "never.....maybe" so, I guess it's not in the works for the forseeable future.Foxer said:
I bought a box to try , a little more money ( $28.00 compared to 18.00 ) .
They seem to promise the moon , I figure they will offer a small improvement .
I figure they aren't being sold to reloaders due to several reasons .
1) They have a hyped up captive market for at least a few years .
and 2 ) to get the performance they boast about they probably use a pretty unique powder to achieve it . If handloaders can't attain the factory velocities or blow up some guns trying it could make for some bad press .
They seem to promise the moon , I figure they will offer a small improvement .
I figure they aren't being sold to reloaders due to several reasons .
1) They have a hyped up captive market for at least a few years .
and 2 ) to get the performance they boast about they probably use a pretty unique powder to achieve it . If handloaders can't attain the factory velocities or blow up some guns trying it could make for some bad press .
