Today at the range, as a spare second range officer, i did adjust a few scopes (11 ) something caught my attention ,that gentleman is in front of me with is Savage box an a plastic bag, he just bought a 300 mag Savage combo rifle 111 fxcp and 3 box of 300 mag Superformance, check all screws took the bolt off boresithed and shoot one bullet, adjust again to the left, shoot , 4 click up , shoot 1.5 inch high dead center, this is brand new so have a patch tru it, after that shot 3 bullets, guess what .5 group, Savage combo and Superformance ammo= very good inexpensive rig... JP.
300 mag Superformance... very accurate.
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Ahh wow the talk of the 99 reintroduction. With the rumour mill buzzing over the past few years I started putting money away to grab up a new world Savage 99.
That day never came and by the sounds of Savage brass it won't be anytime soon. To think that a firearm just couldn't be produced at a profitable price in the new world. Goes to show you the machining and care put into each rifle (brass rotory magazine pre-mil rifles).
The Savage 99 and 10/110 are on completely different ends of the spectrum. It seems that old Ronny has built his empire on the inexpensive yet accurate 10/110 leaving little room for our beloved lever in his business plan. I think Ronny is an amazing business man and the Savages of today are well built and accurate but Arthur Savage's first rifle still has a special place in my heart and my cabinet.
That day never came and by the sounds of Savage brass it won't be anytime soon. To think that a firearm just couldn't be produced at a profitable price in the new world. Goes to show you the machining and care put into each rifle (brass rotory magazine pre-mil rifles).
The Savage 99 and 10/110 are on completely different ends of the spectrum. It seems that old Ronny has built his empire on the inexpensive yet accurate 10/110 leaving little room for our beloved lever in his business plan. I think Ronny is an amazing business man and the Savages of today are well built and accurate but Arthur Savage's first rifle still has a special place in my heart and my cabinet.
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I have two savage rifles both less then a year old, the 116 FHSAK in 300 win mag is deadly and I also have a cheaper model 11 in 243 win it's also a good accurate rifle for a cheap package rifle but not as accurate as the 116, I think Savage makes great solid rifles, I'm sold on them and can't wait to get a model 10.
As for the Superformance Bullets I wasn't aware they could be got in 300 win I thought they were just a smaller varmint cal bullet, I make my own bullets but still wouldn't mind trying the superformance out.
As for the Superformance Bullets I wasn't aware they could be got in 300 win I thought they were just a smaller varmint cal bullet, I make my own bullets but still wouldn't mind trying the superformance out.
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The Savages are generally quite accurate out-of-box. However, the odd 'dud" still appears in their line as well.
Spent considerable time trying to help an acquaintance get his new Savage 300 Win Mag to shoot, but alas, this is a 1½" - 1¾" rifle, no matter what we do.
Huntable, yes, but not particularly stellar accuracy. [He is a bit disappointed]
The Superperformance ammo was only mediocre at 2¼" avg for 3 groups.
Best was the 180 Hornady FB Interlock and 74 grains of IMR 4831, seated .015" off the lands. It hovers around the 1½" mark.
One good thing - Cold clean barrel, hot barrel, fouled cold barrel, all shoots to same point of impact.
Regards, Eagleye.
Spent considerable time trying to help an acquaintance get his new Savage 300 Win Mag to shoot, but alas, this is a 1½" - 1¾" rifle, no matter what we do.
Huntable, yes, but not particularly stellar accuracy. [He is a bit disappointed]
The Superperformance ammo was only mediocre at 2¼" avg for 3 groups.
Best was the 180 Hornady FB Interlock and 74 grains of IMR 4831, seated .015" off the lands. It hovers around the 1½" mark.
One good thing - Cold clean barrel, hot barrel, fouled cold barrel, all shoots to same point of impact.
Regards, Eagleye.
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That sir, is good to know. That SF ammo really works then, even in already hot rounds like the 300WM. Good to see the old Winchester Magnum get it's original intenede ballistic legs back, after being so down- tuned to sell the newer WSM rifles.
What Rifle are you getting those velocities from?
Sako Bavarian 85, 3130 fps is what Hornady state on the box, in real life i am getting an average of 3185 fps with very low standard deviation,with those number it put the energy at 4056 pounds, this is really regiving the 300 mag the edge over the 300 WSM, this ammo is superior to the best reloads in speed and equal in accuracy, this week i am going back to Le Baron and buy all they got in stock in 300 mag, 308, 243... JP.
I will take that, in a hunting rifle, over half an inch smaller group any day.
Your friend has a good rifle!
Ted
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Thats performance. Thanks for the info.
Doing some quick, long range ballistic check's on your SST's at 3185fpsMV, i'm seeing nearly 1500 ft-lbs(my personal minimum for adequate deer penetration and performance) retained energy at 700yds, while you are still supersonic out to 1500yds!!! What a deadly, ultra long range cartridge on heavy mule deer and caribou. With accuracy and performance like that, I wouldn't bother with handloading for velocity or accuracy as long as the selection in available bullets in superformance is good.
You guys do realize that the SST bullet is very "soft", right?
You sure don't want to put one anywhere near any part of the animal you want to eat, as they do not penetrate muscle tissue well at all. They become grenades!
I have loaded more than 800 of the 180's in 308 Win, 30-06, 308 Norma, and 300 Win over the past ten years or so. Trust me on this.
They do work very well work in lung tissue.
Ted
You sure don't want to put one anywhere near any part of the animal you want to eat, as they do not penetrate muscle tissue well at all. They become grenades!
I have loaded more than 800 of the 180's in 308 Win, 30-06, 308 Norma, and 300 Win over the past ten years or so. Trust me on this.
They do work very well work in lung tissue.
Ted
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RememberTheSomme
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You guys do realize that the SST bullet is very "soft", right?
You sure don't want to put one anywhere near any part of the animal you want to eat, as they do not penetrate muscle tissue well at all. They become grenades!
I have loaded more than 800 of the 180's in 308 Win, 30-06, 308 Norma, and 300 Win over the past ten years or so. Trust me on this.
They do work very well work in lung tissue.
Ted
I agree fully Why not, hench my comment on a ultra long range combo, where velocity will be tamed and it should perform admirably, much like the original Nosler BT's at long range/ lower velocities.
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You guys do realize that the SST bullet is very "soft", right?
You sure don't want to put one anywhere near any part of the animal you want to eat, as they do not penetrate muscle tissue well at all. They become grenades!
I have loaded more than 800 of the 180's in 308 Win, 30-06, 308 Norma, and 300 Win over the past ten years or so. Trust me on this.
They do work very well work in lung tissue.
Ted
Ray Charles could blood trail with SST's in use.
Never used one beyond 300 yd, but the problem I have experienced with frangible bullets like the SST, is that they are so destructive they inevitably ruin a lot of meat. Even a perfect lung hit from a 308 produces an awful lot of blood jelly in the edible portions of the animal.
A friend of mine shot a big moose three years ago using the 180 SST in his 30-06 at about 60 yd. The near-side rib meat was a total mess, as was a lot of the loin, and even the neck meat had some damage.
Ted
A friend of mine shot a big moose three years ago using the 180 SST in his 30-06 at about 60 yd. The near-side rib meat was a total mess, as was a lot of the loin, and even the neck meat had some damage.
Ted
That sir, is good to know. That SF ammo really works then, even in already hot rounds like the 300WM. Good to see the old Winchester Magnum get it's original intenede ballistic legs back, after being so down- tuned to sell the newer WSM rifles.
What Rifle are you getting those velocities from?
Just you wait till they make ammo for the 300WSM's
