coyoteshooter
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- Ontario, Canada
i too thank you all for the info.......great post cs
300 Savage pet loads
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M99 300 sav non toxic
[ ] Metallverken brass (very similar to imperial)
[ ] Federal 210m
[ ] 35gr IMR 8208xbr
[ ] 150gr Nosler e-tip
[ ] 2.660 coal
I havent chronographed this load but they group tight with irons at 100y which is as far as I want to shoot them.
I attempted to load 168gr nosler e tips but they are too long, i found pressure signs at 34gr. The 150s grouped well and hit where i wanted at 35gr so I didnt push past 36gr in testing but i found no pressure signs at 36gr.
[ ] Metallverken brass (very similar to imperial)
[ ] Federal 210m
[ ] 35gr IMR 8208xbr
[ ] 150gr Nosler e-tip
[ ] 2.660 coal
I havent chronographed this load but they group tight with irons at 100y which is as far as I want to shoot them.
I attempted to load 168gr nosler e tips but they are too long, i found pressure signs at 34gr. The 150s grouped well and hit where i wanted at 35gr so I didnt push past 36gr in testing but i found no pressure signs at 36gr.
Have any of you 300 Savage reloaders done an accuracy and velocity comparison between the 150,165 and 180 grain bullets. I'm mostly interested in trying a 165 grain bullet but I'll take any guidance into consideration - before I invest in powder, bullets, primers and dies etc.
I've settled on 165 SP gr for my Rem 760, as far as accuracy is concerned. Your rifle may like otherwise. I tend to avoid 180 gr, as the combination of a long bullet and short case neck leads to diminished powder capacity.
The 300 Savage is IMHO another Rodney Dangerfield type cartridge, terribly under appreciated.
It was originally designed around 1920 to give Model 99 lever action rifles a cartridge that gave similar performance with a 150 grain bullet as the standar 30-06 commercial loads available at the time, appx 2700fps while generating around 45K psi out of a 24 inch barrel with a 1-12 twist rate.
It came pretty close and was a very popular offering in the 99 rifles right up to when production was ceased.
The cartridge has been chambered for almost every North American CF action and most European CF actions right up to present day. Some must be special ordered of course.
The cartridge can be quite finicky to reload becasue of its short, less than one bullet diameter length, neck.
With tighter chambers, it's not usually an issue but something to to watch for.
Later sources list 49K psi as maximum for the cartridge in the Model 99 Savage.
It's quite a capable little cartridge but with today's components, especially powders, there is now way the little case can equal the velocities that the 30-06 is capable of with any bullet weight.
One of my favorite loads for a Pre WWII Model 99 I used to own, which now resides in my Binlaw's safe, was 39.0 grains of IMR3031 over Winchester, Standard Large Rifle primers, under 150 grain Speer flat base, spitzer bullets, for appx 2600fps, depending on the temperature of the day.
This load was maximum for this particular rifle and should be approached carefully in other Model 99 rifles
Two inch groups were the norm with this load in this rifle.
In the model 20 HiPower Savage bolt action, with its horrible trigger and 1-12 twist rate, the cartridge also performed very well and I took a very nice fork moose with it just south of Prophet River in the mid 90s. It was a nostalgia hunt, with a half dozen friends, on a LEH in the middle of December.
We had eight rifles between six hunters.
Everything from a vintage model 30 Remington 257 Roberts (mine) up to a lovely custom 300 H&H Magnum, which was built in the mid thirties on a "magnum Mauser" action. My spare rifle was the Model 20 HiPower Savage bolt action chambered for the 300 Savage and using the above load.
That was a hunt from hell. Temps dropped to -25C and everything from food to vehicles to water and the rifles froze up to the point they didn't work.
The Savage Model 20 took the first moose on the first day of hunting, because it was the first rifle I came across when I went for a before breakfast walk, then the very light oil in the bolt held things up so that you couldn't depend on ignition of the primer. Same thing happened with all of the other rifles, other than the Model 30 Remington, 257 Roberts, with it's lone box of 120 grain handloads.
The Model 30 saved that hunt and accounted for the other five moose we took on that hunt, which surprised the others, who had given me a hard time for bringing the rifle because of its diminutive bullets.
We had to use a Coleman Camp Stove to warm up the motors of our vehicles enough to get them started. I swore I would never hunt that late, that far North again. Of course I did but with a lot more preparation and caution. Thankfully there wasn't a lot of snow to worry about.
Even what appeared to be standing dry trees didn't want to burn well.
It was originally designed around 1920 to give Model 99 lever action rifles a cartridge that gave similar performance with a 150 grain bullet as the standar 30-06 commercial loads available at the time, appx 2700fps while generating around 45K psi out of a 24 inch barrel with a 1-12 twist rate.
It came pretty close and was a very popular offering in the 99 rifles right up to when production was ceased.
The cartridge has been chambered for almost every North American CF action and most European CF actions right up to present day. Some must be special ordered of course.
The cartridge can be quite finicky to reload becasue of its short, less than one bullet diameter length, neck.
With tighter chambers, it's not usually an issue but something to to watch for.
Later sources list 49K psi as maximum for the cartridge in the Model 99 Savage.
It's quite a capable little cartridge but with today's components, especially powders, there is now way the little case can equal the velocities that the 30-06 is capable of with any bullet weight.
One of my favorite loads for a Pre WWII Model 99 I used to own, which now resides in my Binlaw's safe, was 39.0 grains of IMR3031 over Winchester, Standard Large Rifle primers, under 150 grain Speer flat base, spitzer bullets, for appx 2600fps, depending on the temperature of the day.
This load was maximum for this particular rifle and should be approached carefully in other Model 99 rifles
Two inch groups were the norm with this load in this rifle.
In the model 20 HiPower Savage bolt action, with its horrible trigger and 1-12 twist rate, the cartridge also performed very well and I took a very nice fork moose with it just south of Prophet River in the mid 90s. It was a nostalgia hunt, with a half dozen friends, on a LEH in the middle of December.
We had eight rifles between six hunters.
Everything from a vintage model 30 Remington 257 Roberts (mine) up to a lovely custom 300 H&H Magnum, which was built in the mid thirties on a "magnum Mauser" action. My spare rifle was the Model 20 HiPower Savage bolt action chambered for the 300 Savage and using the above load.
That was a hunt from hell. Temps dropped to -25C and everything from food to vehicles to water and the rifles froze up to the point they didn't work.
The Savage Model 20 took the first moose on the first day of hunting, because it was the first rifle I came across when I went for a before breakfast walk, then the very light oil in the bolt held things up so that you couldn't depend on ignition of the primer. Same thing happened with all of the other rifles, other than the Model 30 Remington, 257 Roberts, with it's lone box of 120 grain handloads.
The Model 30 saved that hunt and accounted for the other five moose we took on that hunt, which surprised the others, who had given me a hard time for bringing the rifle because of its diminutive bullets.
We had to use a Coleman Camp Stove to warm up the motors of our vehicles enough to get them started. I swore I would never hunt that late, that far North again. Of course I did but with a lot more preparation and caution. Thankfully there wasn't a lot of snow to worry about.
Even what appeared to be standing dry trees didn't want to burn well.
You guys from bc are just soft.
before reloading for other calibers i found out that the yellow and blue boxes from remington and federal in 150 and 180 gr with the same accuracy. i used the 180 gr on black bear and caribou and my take down savage loved those 4 different loads and 2 different weigths. i do not know if all are the same but i got lucky the day i got that rifle.
No No No you got it all wrong according all the other threads I've been reading. Anything not designed in the last 10 years is out dated and should be put out to pasture. Thay can't shoot can't kill because the new targets are harder to hit and game have developed thicker hids than the old days. 
Room and budget is the only thing holding my back from following you're trail.
Room and budget is the only thing holding my back from following you're trail.
I had a 300 Savage M99 F but the 308 Win is a Bit Better ! JMO RJ
You could be right.
