303 Brit reloading advice

niccwlim

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Hey everyone,

I've got an SMLE and I'm just starting to reload. I've got 174 Sierra HPBT paired with BL-C2 with around 43.5gn of powder. I'm trying to figure out the Min and Max OAL. The chart I have is super redimentry and it says the min and max should be 3.075in. Does anyone have any advice or experience with it being able to be alittle shorter? Thanks in advance to anyone who can give some info on this
 
It needs to fit the magazine with a bit of space/wiggle room at the nose to assure reliable functioning.Throats on the military rifles are usually quite generous.
 
You already seem committed to develping a load with a bullet that might not be optimal for your rifle. The Sierra HPBT #2315 is a Boat Tail bullet with a 0.311" diameter. Many SMLE's work best with flat-based bullets that are larger in diameter than 0.311" due to their barrels having groove diameters larger than that. There are theories that the SMLE's unique rifling is the reason why BT's don't shoot well, but it's really that bore diameters tend to be well above 0.311" and flat-based bullets have the ability to "bump up" in diameter to fill the bore, while boat tails cannot due to their design. I had an SMLE with a "tight" bore that shot boat tails well, but that seems rare.

If you find a load that shoots that bullet well - you're fortunate.

If not, consider something like Sierra's 0.311" 180 gr flat-base SPT #2310, or the Hornady 0.312" 174 gr Interlock #3130.

They aren't nearly as aerodynamic as the Sierra HBPT #2315, but unless you're shooting a match beyond 200 yds, it's mostly moot.
 
Thats what l noticed when it was longer than 3.075 was the tip got in the way of the magazine. I don't think 3.07-3.06 will be detrimental to its function. I hope...
 
Hey Andy, Tbh l wasm't to sure which bullet to go with at the time. When l picked up my bullets Sierra HPBT was what was available at the time. I'll look into the spitzers and see whats available. Good to know BTs might not work as well thanks
 
factory made bullets are getting expensive and hard to find, casting is the way to go as it is cheap and with my loads I can get one inch groups at 60 yards. I have shot many deer between the eyes this way.
 
Luckily my local gun shop keeps 303 coming in from S&B. So far no shortage of ammo (yet) so lm hoping to keep as much brass as l can to reload with
 
OP, have you measured your bore diameter???

All marks of Lee Enfield rifles, other than the later, post war built No4 MkI, MkI* and MKII models, bores could be either on the small side or large side of specified mean diameter of .314 inches

Lee Enfield Barrels

Copyright 1998 - Stephen Redgwell
This is a re-print of an article I wrote for a collector’s magazine. It explains why most military surplus Lee Enfield rifles don’t shoot too well with modern bullets.

With military surplus rifles, always slug your barrel to determine what diameter bullet you need!!


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Why doesn’t my Lee Enfield shoot well? I use good bullets and follow the reloading manual instructions to the letter.

Your rifle will only shoot well if it is fed quality ammunition. For reasons long forgotten, bullets made by modern manufacturers are all undersized. They are either .311 or .312 inches in diameter. In short, today's bullets are too small! What?!? It's true. The original plans for the P14 and Lee Enfields called for a .313 to .316 inch diameter barrel. They were rejected if found bigger than .317 when inspected. That means if you want your rifle to perform, your reloads need the right size bullets!

A number of armourer’s instructions have been published since the beginning of the 20th century. Regardless of which addition you read or its country of origin, barrel diameter was designed to be between .313 and .314. The original drawings stated 0.3143. That’s why Sierra’s .311 and Hornady’s .312 diameter bullets may not group too well in your rifle.

Machining practices in the early part of the 20th century were crude by today’s standards. Nevertheless, you should slug your rifle’s bore to determine its actual size. You’ll be shocked to learn that your rifle barrel isn’t .311! That’s why cast bullet shooters get better results. They make bullets of the right size and ease back on velocities. The bottom line? 303 British barrels will vary by several thousandths of an inch.

The diameter difference was NOT usually caused by wear, but rather, less precise machining tolerances. That was why armourers and factory inspectors employed special bore gauges to determine barrel serviceability. What does that mean for you? For precision shooting, consider using cast bullets.

Here is the math behind barrel size:

The 303 British is called a 303 because of the measurement between the lands, which was 0.303 of an inch.

The depth of the grooves was 0.005 to 0.0055 inches. Some publications list it as great as 0.008 inches. In any case, you double the groove depth and add the result to the bore diameter to determine the correct bullet diameter.

Example: 0.303 + (2 x 0.005) = 0.313 inches

Shooting bullets that are closer to the actual diameter of your rifle’s barrel will increase its accuracy. It will make you happier too!!

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2010 Update: Ruger’s technical department says that their newly manufactured No 1 single shot barrels are made according to original specs – .314 to .316 inches. Yes, you read that right! This has been verified by a number of shooters that have slugged their bores.
steve@303british.com


The bullets you have are likely excellent and well made. However, before the boat tail bullets came along with sealed bases, bullets for the 303 Brit used to have sealed noses with exposed lead, flat bases. The exposed lead was pushed forward by the pressures of the expanding gasses along with heat up into the jacket, which helped the jacket to obturate into the shape of the bore, which lead to better accuracy.

Your rifle may shoot very well with these bullets and the first boat tail, 174 grain design started being issued while SMLE rifles were still in service.

The load you suggest is a very decent place to start, if your rifle is in good shootable condition.

Mbogo3 is right on the money. The loaded length of your cartridges should be at least .050 in less than the inside length of your magazine, for proper function.

These rifles, all have generous chamber dimensions, with long throats, to accommodate dented and dirty rounds when used under stressful conditions.

One other thing, BLC-2 is a good powder, used for a lot of different cartridges during WWII. 303 Brit being one of them, from the US manufacturers.

Some people don't like ball powders because they can be difficult to ignite when it gets cold. The military used hotter primers than most civilian loads got because of this, or that's the rumor anyway.

I would suggest magnum primers for your loads.
 
Hey bearhunter,
Never crossed my mind to actually measure out the bore. The info was much appreciated and was actually really informative. That exert gives me at least a reference om what l can do to make this SMLE shoot better. Thanks:)
 
Has anyone tried the Cam Pro .303 bullets in their Lee Enfields? I see they are flat based. Wondering what they are like for accuracy.
 
have been going to the range a fair bit over the last while with another guy who is also interested in enfields and has a few sporterized ones. while i shoot cast, he is learning to reload and has been using the canpro 180 gn roundnose. with iron sights at 50 metres, he is getting 2 to 3 inch, 5 shot groups. i suspect the groups would shrink a bit more when he gets more proficient and after the enfield is scoped. from my perspective, the canpros look like a solid hunting projectile.

bench rest accuracy in conjunction with enfields tend to be fairly uncommon terms that are not often found together.
 
I found that the campro bullets were off weight a couple of grains that takes accuracy down. I cast my 314299 and take out the bullets that weigh within one grain and load them. I get 3/4 inch groups at 60 yards and the deer I shoot all get it between the eyes.
 
As I've said many times before - someone needs to make a 174, flat based exposed lead, .313 bullet (like the war service round - but without the fussy nose filler) and enjoy the money they make while trying to scramble to fill all of the orders they get from around the world. Everyone seems to try re-inventing the wheel on the 303 without realizing that it's ALL been done before.
 
Has anyone tried the Cam Pro .303 bullets in their Lee Enfields? I see they are flat based. Wondering what they are like for accuracy.

I have. 3 of them prefer the CamPro's, 2 prefer Hornady RN 174's & 3 prefers the Speer 180 RN. Having said that, there wasn't a whole lot of difference between them, but the difference was noticeable & repeatable over a number of 5 & 10 shot groups, shot at different times & different temperatures. In some cases, however, a change in primers reversed the results. Which is kind of important as I'm coming to the end of my stash of nickel-plated Winchester LR (the ones marked Suitable for Standard & Magnum Loads on the white box) primers. All using 42.0 gr. RL15, except for one old finicky Lee Speed, which prefers 41.5 gr. with the Hornady 174 for some unknown reason.

I'd say the only way to find out is to buy some & try them in your rifle(s).
 
My no.4s love 41.5g of RL15, I use cci br2 primers with 3.075 coal this load I believe is close to mkvii ammo because I can use the range setting on my ph5c and it corresponds to the trajectory of this load.
 
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