308/7.62 Nato as a Main carbine??

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Hello all!!

With all the fantastic development of 308 carbines we have had in the last year or so, and as inquiring minds want to know, I was wondering if there was anyone out, besides a select few, that are using their 308/7.62 Nato Carbine as there main do all carbine.

Before some of you all start Nah saying, allow me to share a few that I belive that use their 308 carbines alot:

KevinB - Loves his Kac SR-25 carbine

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Gadget - Has an LMT MRP 308 CQB Carbine as his "Go To" carbine

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#### Proenneke uses his LMT MWS .308 to great effect

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BeltFed is enjoying his LMT MWS, but feels its a bad choice for service rifle, and will probably rebarrel to a different caliber:

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and as KevinB has shared, Chris Costa has used and SR-25 teaching a course

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I was just wondering if there was anyone else mainly using this carbine and what their results and experineces have been, and what advice they might have for some one else about to start down that road.

Thx in advance and look forward to your constructive responses

regards and all the best

AbH

Please note: If any of the orriginal posters have issues with me using their pictures in this post, Please send me a PM and I will happily remove them
 
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AbHobbyist said:
Tom very nice!!

Any comments or advice to offer??

regards

AbH
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Sorry can't really offer any advice just thought I'd add a picture from The Titelist's flickr to the thread. My only comment is that I'd love a KAC EMC as a Student I feel like that won't happen anytime soon.
 
I was using a 7.62 NATO GENUINE Dutch built AR 10,
with a chopped 18 1/2" barrel,
a custom built comp,
with a co-witnessed red dot on top of a custom milled 1/2 flat top,
and a skeletonised tubular butt stock with AR 15 hand guards,
in practical rifle competition WAYYyyyyyy back in the late 80s and early 90s ....
that would be 1980s and 1990s.

A shorty AR 10 was [ and still is ] my all around favorite go to ?rifle? ?carbine? ?whateveryawanttocallit?
[;{()

When the GENUINE AR 10 parts started drying up, I switched over to the M14 family, again usually with an 18 1/2" chopped barrel, a comp, and a pistol grip stock.

The power of a full sized BATTLE RIFLE cartridge, in ?some thing? the size of a carbine, has always made a lot of sense to me.

I personally feel that going shorter than 18 1/2" with the full powered .308 Win/7.62 NATO cartridge, is going past the point of diminishing returns, and that the muzzle blast and velocity loss outweighs the improved handling of the shorter barrels. However, I am sure there are some 16" barreled AR 10 owners out there who will disagree. I have a spare R25 upper, and am considering chopping it down to 18 1/2" ....
or maybe some one can convince me 16" is better???

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But I am not getting rid of my AR 15 shorty just yet ....
if only to shoot .22 LR ammo out of my CMMG conversion kit for inexpensive practice.

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Of course,
as with any opinions expressed on the internet,
YPMMV
LAZ 1
[;{)
 
Just curious...whats up with the interesting gripping method of these .308's?

Gripping...or grabbing for the front sight I should say...whats the full technical advantage to that?
 
I'd be all over a .308 for a do all carbine *if* ammo was comparable in cost to .223
In fact, I'm quite sure that most CGN members who already own an AR15 or two would prefer the AR10 if ammunition costs were the same.

This is the only reason as to why I do not own an AR10.

~cheers
 
key is price of ammunition. But .308 would be the best carbine. Reason why they went to ,223 is because most soldier cant handle .308. Just like the 40 S&W story.
 
trekstor said:
key is price of ammunition. But .308 would be the best carbine. Reason why they went to ,223 is because most soldier cant handle .308. Just like the 40 S&W story.
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Rifle or pistol :yingyang: , if the firearm has enough heft to it :stirthepot2: , recoil becomes less of an issue...:D

Then again, you do land up having to tote the thing....;)
 
Even should ammo costs somehow be the same, the 308(at least the ones I have shot) will have more impulse then the 223s. Makes for faster followups. Yeah, Costa can run an 08 like that, but he has both the round count and the budget to customize it as needed.

What did he do to that URX in the pic?
 
Lazerus2000 said:
I was using a 7.62 NATO GENUINE Dutch built AR 10,
with a chopped 18 1/2" barrel,
a custom built comp,
with a co-witnessed red dot on top of a custom milled 1/2 flat top,
and a skeletonised tubular butt stock with AR 15 hand guards,
in practical rifle competition WAYYyyyyyy back in the late 80s and early 90s ....
that would be 1980s and 1990s.

A shorty AR 10 was [ and still is ] my all around favorite go to ?rifle? ?carbine? ?whateveryawanttocallit?
[;{()

When the GENUINE AR 10 parts started drying up, I switched over to the M14 family, again usually with an 18 1/2" chopped barrel, a comp, and a pistol grip stock.

The power of a full sized BATTLE RIFLE cartridge, in ?some thing? the size of a carbine, has always made a lot of sense to me.

I personally feel that going shorter than 18 1/2" with the full powered .308 Win/7.62 NATO cartridge, is going past the point of diminishing returns, and that the muzzle blast and velocity loss outweighs the improved handling of the shorter barrels. However, I am sure there are some 16" barreled AR 10 owners out there who will disagree. I have a spare R25 upper, and am considering chopping it down to 18 1/2" ....
or maybe some one can convince me 16" is better???

TEMPPICS022.jpg


But I am not getting rid of my AR 15 shorty just yet ....
if only to shoot .22 LR ammo out of my CMMG conversion kit for inexpensive practice.

Shorties007.jpg


Of course,
as with any opinions expressed on the internet,
YPMMV
LAZ 1
[;{)
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Where did you get that folding stock for the M14?:cool:
 
Grove said:
Just curious...whats up with the interesting gripping method of these .308's?

Gripping...or grabbing for the front sight I should say...whats the full technical advantage to that?
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It's a bull#### thing from American TV. It's even popping up here with some of the combat arms people. What I can tell you from seeing people shoot both the intelligent way and this "interesting" new method is; people who were decent shots when holding a rifle properly go completely to crap after adopting the TV bull####.
 
Was looking to build an AR10 when I first saw the Noveske 12.5" Leonidas but ammo cost difference is HUGE. It's another caliber that I need to stock that I don't need.

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Petrock said:
It's a bulls**t thing from American TV. It's even popping up here with some of the combat arms people. What I can tell you from seeing people shoot both the intelligent way and this "interesting" new method is; people who were decent shots when holding a rifle properly go completely to crap after adopting the TV bulls**t.
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Hate to make you sound like ... but it originated from IPSC shooters.
 
AbHobbyist said:
I am pretty sure BeltFed uses his LMT MWS for service rifle:
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Honestly, my only experience with this thing has been two different range practice sessions.
I'm going to spend some more time developing loads and maybe look at re-barreling in a new chambering...
As far as service rifle, 308 offers no advantage over .223 (and in fact the negatives list is longer). If I do use it, it will be for sh!ts and giggles alone.
 
Well Gentlemen, WRT Ammo cost, It is my true conviction, that with judicious purchasing, and the use of my reloading equipment, I will be able to get the cost under $0.45/round, which puts it on par with the cost of PMC 55 grain factory/thousand. However only way actually prove this, is to undertake this project in earnest, and see where the rubber meets the road.

Mr. Beltfed->Please accept my apologies for my misunderstanding, which simply arose from your glowing report and perceived approval of your newly purchased carbine. I will edit my original post to reflect this.


Thank you all for the input.

regards

AbH
 
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