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TrevorO

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To many choices. Here is the question, what is practical and what is just tacticool? Some options I have been considering are the savage 12 bench rest target(is the palma version worth it?) or tikka t3 tactical(again is it functional or just for looks?), or do I just go with a remington model 700?
Any advice is greatly appr.
 
Hey Trevor

I am sort of at the end of that process right now. I have heard very good things about the Savage's at my local club but in the end have decided on the 700 5R SS Milspec as I have always wanted a Remington

I am a really new member so I won't pretend to know anything or provide advice but the other members are really helpful and knowledgeable and will get you on the right track

Good Luck
 
What to buy

At this point I'd probably suggest the Savage.
True every add on available will fit a Remington but by the time you fully customize the rifle there isn't much remington left anyways.
I've owned a few remingtons and have had good service from them but have found that remingtons aren't what they used to be.
I've got one student that has an unfired model 700 in 300 wsm that looks like it just came off the bottom of a lake because it got damp on a miserable day, it didn't even see direct rain. It was opened in the classroom and put back in it's case.
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I recently was trying to sell a Scope (nightforce 42X) and the guy buying it couldn't use it because of the fact that Remington hadn't drilled the mounting holes for the rail/scope mount straight (his brothers rifle as well), he didn't have enough windage adjustment on the scope to make up for how far off the rifle was drilled.

I have 5 savage rifles now we use for intro training and they work flawlessly and don't mind a little rain.

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My buddy and I recently purchased Savage 10FLP. His has the HS Precision stock and mine has the McMillan A5. We got them from Alberta Tactical. My buddies shoots real nice groups and he can cut shoe laces at 300 yards with it.. I re barreled mine to 260 AI and just shot a .550 group in the Lande Memorial Tactical Competition with my fire forming load.

I would definitely recommend the Savages. Accurate and easily customized at home.
 
The tikka is very upgradable now. The trigger is fine but you can still go aftermarket. I have a stock from manners coming to me. I have a near brake on it. I have a tactical bolt knob and handle on the way. Thanks to Ice-Pick I have a kick ass scope on it. When I wear out the barrel I can change that out easily. Not sure what else a person can upgrade. And this is already on a great rifle. Another option is a tikka varmint model. Have one of those in 223 that is nice to shoot.....well it would be better if i could get some 223 dies for it and reload.
 
If you want a guaranteed shooter, go Tikka Tactical

If you want upgradability go Remington.

Savage has some attributes of both.

I somewhat disagree with this statement.

I'm not sure why Tikka fans always consider their Tikka to be so great out of the box? The stock they come with is crap, the magazine is polymer but does work well, however they are extremely expensive. If you go through all the reviews, they tend to shoot not as well as most of the Remingtons. Yet we always hear how well they shoot. :confused: The Remingtons have a healthy track record in .308 for shooting .5 moa or slightly below on average for P models and upper end models with good stocks. while the Tikka seems to generally perform above .5 moa with off the shelf match ammo. Plus how is it a great out of the box rifle, if the first thing you want to do is pour $500-600 into a stock that doesn't suck? I just don't get the love affair with Tikka. When they were cheap I could see it. I'd buy one. But with the price these days. Forget it. As a hunting rifle, maybe. As a precision rifle or varminter, not at the current price. It's really a $1700 to $1800 rifle by the time you replace the stock. That's with the lower Varminter model. The Tactical will cost about $500-600 more for it to be subdued, with a rail and a cheek adjustment on the stock. That's really not that good of a deal.

I've been biting my tongue on this for a while. I did at one time seriously consider a Tikka. But it just didn't make economic sense.

Savage has really come a long way in the last few years. Plus the aftermarket has helped tremendously. In a year or so I may revisit looking at them again. They have a good concept. I just think the went too cheap originally in the execution of that concept.
 
I have a savage 12fv and can shoot 1moa at 700m with hand loads. The gun is stock other than the addition of a bipod. scope is a Bushnell elite 3200 fixed 10x zoom.

I have 2 other savages as well. a 12fv with the same scope in 22-250 and a 22magnum.

They shoot very well out the box and the accutrigger is wicked.

Ive shot my friends Tikka and it is a super nice gun out the box as well! im just not a fan of the look and its a bit on the $$ side. but a wicked gun.

The 700..... Its a legend but after shooting a better gun like a savage you understand very quickly why everyone gets the lugs lapped and trigger jobs done. Still a Accurate gun out the box but I think u get more gun from a savage and tikka.
 
I am only changing the stock on my tactical. Nothing wrong with it, I am just changing it for the same reason most others do. Better quality. I wont be changing the one on my varmint 223 no did I have the desire to do so on the 308 t3 lite I had. I have had and used a few remingtons and none of them compared to the smooth action of a tikka or sako.

Basically buy what fits and feels good in your hands. Many good choices out there and if you buy something you dont like or doesnt work for you then you can sell it on EE and buy something else.
 
Tikka Stocks are not "crap". I really don't care what a gun looks or feels like as long as its results are acceptable. I've owned two Tik-Tacs and both were capable of results well under .5MOA with minimal effort. Most people that play armchair quarterback have never owned them and state their opinions out of a need to validate their own consumer choices.

I sold mine because I got into competitive precision shooting. Relatively few 308's and even fewer Factory 308's are capable of beating purpose-built precision rifles in calibers that shoot inherently accurate cartridges with high BC bullets. This is why 308's have the option of shooting in a separate F-Class.

If composite/polycarbonate stocks are the hallmark of "crap", then Reminton and Savage wrote the book.
 
dollar for dollar then, with out mods. you would rec tikka? looking realisticaly shooting 300m@sharon, maybe some at borden. Which could be easliy mod. if i chose comp.?
 
If you are going to shoot f class that new savage f/tr looks nice. Dont have one but i think it would work well for you. If you want something lighter and more general purpose then the tikka.
 
Tikka Stocks are not "crap". I really don't care what a gun looks or feels like as long as its results are acceptable.

Then you're in the minority. Also you're pretty much conceding that the the gun looks bad and the stock doesn't really feel that great. Which validates my observations.

I've owned two Tik-Tacs and both were capable of results well under .5MOA with minimal effort. Most people that play armchair quarterback have never owned them and state their opinions out of a need to validate their own consumer choices.

First of all capable of, and minimal effort. Means load development. The higher end Remingtons shoot this with "no" effort. IE off the shelf match ammo. You also always have the option of reloading too.

When I buy something I do the research. I check them out. I could care less about brand. I really have very little brand loyalty. When something I like better comes out, I go for it. I've poured through the reviews, and the Tikka with it's much touted accuracy generally shot very well, but not as well as the Remingtons. IE Tikka shooting above .5 moa with off the shelf match ammo tests (lots of different ammo tested) compared to just under .5 moa for the Remington.

I went and saw the Tikkas, varmint, super varmint and even the tactical in real life before deciding on my purchases. Not after.

I handled them and found the trigger to be very good, the action moved nicely, the mag seemed to work ok although it's polymer and I liked the stainless bead blasted look on the varmints. But that stock felt like cheap junk. The Tikka are no longer "the bargain" as prices have continued to go up significantly on them, and all of the accuracy tests I've seen show them to be good shooters but not anything spectacular. When they were a bargain they gained a real following. They aren't a bargain anymore.

I agree that someone on here is trying to justify their past purchases and current beliefs. But it's not me. I made the best business decision and revisit that decision anytime I make a new purchase. Right now other than Remington, Savage would get a serious look from me. Tikka not so much. If Tikka dropped the price on the Varminter by about $400 then I'd consider it.

If composite/polycarbonate stocks are the hallmark of "crap", then Reminton and Savage wrote the book.

Yup and the price point of those lower models reflects that, so you can throw out the stock and replace them. The Tikka price point is about the same as having a far superior HS or Macmillian stocked rifle from the competitors. The Tikka stock is better than an SPS stock but that's about it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the Tikka is a bad rifle. I think it has a lot going for it. I just think it has two glaring weaknesses. The price and the stock. If the price was lower, I'd buy one, junk the stock and get a Robertson's composite stock for it. Then I'd have a nice rifle. But... they've priced themselves out of competition in my opinion. It's not financially worth while with the other options out there right now.
 
ok so i have decided to go with savage. now there are 2 models
1)model 12 palma or.
2)model 12 benchrest dual port
they main reason is epps has both in stock. now which to choose?
 
12 benchrest has a much more attractive price. You can't go wrong with either one. Choose the one that "feels" the best when you get "down on it".

Rem's seem to shoot good for magazine companies. In reality you either get a good one or a bad one. Not much in between. But don't jump on me for this, I own a 700 and it will make a good platform for a build.
 
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